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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by TwEnTY-SiX View Post
    Until the legislature is abolished and laws are passed by popular referendum we will not have a democratic government. Our republican form of government rests on the principle of representative government. Representative government is not necessarily meant to follow the will of the electorate. Just as plumbers and mechanics are meant to gain expertise in their fields, governors (that being all who hold a position in elected government) are meant to carry out their profession by studying government and gaining greater expertise and wisdom on the issues of governance.

    I'm not saying that the health care law was great, I'm just saying that expecting your elected officials to do what you want, or what the majority wants, all the time will only lead to disappointment and an unnecessary distrust of government.
    This was an extreme case, the public will was obvious. Even with supermajorities in both houses, the Democrats had to spend months buying off their own members and, in the end, were forced to resort to kinky parliamentary maneuvers.
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Believe what you will. But anytime a liberal is faced with "how are you going to pay for this" they don't respond, like what kind of stupid question is that. Do you really think people on the left really care how much debt this country is accumulating. I sure don't see it. But they do care about is getting their entitlements, their nanny and freebies. They could care less where the money comes from.
    Maybe you should ask a person and respond to that person, instead if generic stereotypical liberals.

    Look, we pay more than anyone in the world right now, and with less than stellar access. We could adopt any number of different single payer systems and pay less. Paying less is saving money and not spending more. That is a clear answer.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    The voters did have that option, and had Obamacare been the only issue they would no doubt have exercised it. Perhaps you've noticed how many states have rejected the scheme.
    Oh, they had options. They just don't choose any if them. Not one of them.

    States are also elected. We'll se how that moves as well.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Maybe you should ask a person and respond to that person, instead if generic stereotypical liberals.

    Look, we pay more than anyone in the world right now, and with less than stellar access. We could adopt any number of different single payer systems and pay less. Paying less is saving money and not spending more. That is a clear answer.
    Under Obamacare, most people are going to pay more, especially if large numbers of young, healthy people ignore O's entreaties and refuse to sign up.
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Maybe you should ask a person and respond to that person, instead if generic stereotypical liberals.

    Look, we pay more than anyone in the world right now, and with less than stellar access. We could adopt any number of different single payer systems and pay less. Paying less is saving money and not spending more. That is a clear answer.
    Unfortunately Obama caved and did not produce a single payer system when his political capital was at it's apex. So supporting ACA has nothing to do with being for a single payer system. That is why the unfavorables are so high. People like me who supported true reform are against it, and people who wanted no change are against it.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Oh, they had options. They just don't choose any if them. Not one of them.

    States are also elected. We'll se how that moves as well.
    What is your point? People didn't like the Iraq war but they reelected George Bush anyway because The Pompous Windbag was an unacceptable alternative. You might agree that the Republicans pretty much threw out Obamacare as the deciding issue when they nominated Mitt Romney.
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Unfortunately Obama caved and did not produce a single payer system when his political capital was at it's apex. So supporting ACA has nothing to do with being for a single payer system. That is why the unfavorables are so high. People like me who supported true reform are against it, and people who wanted no change are against it.
    Right. Even if you don't like the status quo ante, what the Democrats came up with is a G-d awful mess.
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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    What is your point? People didn't like the Iraq war but they reelected George Bush anyway because The Pompous Windbag was an unacceptable alternative. You might agree that the Republicans pretty much threw out Obamacare as the deciding issue when they nominated Mitt Romney.
    Yes hey did. So they didn't dislike it enough.

    And yes, they hated reform so bad that republicans pick he guy whose system was most like Obama's. This shows real dislike I tells ya!

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Unfortunately Obama caved and did not produce a single payer system when his political capital was at it's apex. So supporting ACA has nothing to do with being for a single payer system. That is why the unfavorables are so high. People like me who supported true reform are against it, and people who wanted no change are against it.
    I don't disagree completely. And people like you and I are part of the unfavorable, something else not admitted by those who often throw out the unpopularness of tis reform. Many wanted more and better.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Health care law's unpopularity reaches new highs

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes hey did. So they didn't dislike it enough.

    And yes, they hated reform so bad that republicans pick he guy whose system was most like Obama's. This shows real dislike I tells ya!
    You know, I sort of hope the Democrats mirror your attitude and fail to respond as support for the scheme continues to diminish.
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