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Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

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Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

how bad is it?

w-stands-for-what's-his-name outpolls (in generic approval) the most transparent president of all time

Poll: George W. Bush favorability hits milestone - Breanna Edwards - POLITICO.com

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Obama Job Approval

americans are noted for their short memories

so is obama

Barack Obama Statement on FISA | Firedoglake

obama must approve bush too

he's using, even expanding "exponentially" (the guardian above), all his predecessor's and darth cheney's policies

ari fleischer says obama is vindicating the extremist neocon

do you disagree?
 
the aclu filed suit

ACLU files lawsuit over National Security Agency call tracking - POLITICO.com

The American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit Tuesday charging that the telephone call-tracking system disclosed via a leak last week violates the Constitution.

The suit, claiming First and Fourth Amendment violations, seeks to leverage the top-secret document leaked last week in order to overcome procedural arguments that defeated an earlier ACLU-backed challenge to government surveillance of telephone communications.

it's unconstitutional, complains the aclu

according to mojo's david corn (producer of the 47% video), fisa found in an 86 page report that nsa activities were "unreasonable under the 4th amendment"

(link above)

the doj is stonewalling release of those problematic pages, they're top secret

the supreme court ruled 5-4 in february that the civil libertarians lacked standing

but now, all you need is a phone

"The practice is akin to snatching every American’s address book—with annotations detailing whom we spoke to, when we talked, for how long, and from where. It gives the government a comprehensive record of our associations and public movements, revealing a wealth of detail about our familial, political, professional, religious, and intimate associations," the ACLU lawsuit says.

The legal complaint, filed in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, names as defendants Director of of National Intelligence James Clapper, Attorney General Eric Holder, NSA Director Keith Alexander, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel (since NSA is technically part of the Defense Department) and FBI Director Robert Mueller.

Spokespeople for the NSA and the Justice Department had no immediate comment.

whose side are YOU on?

are YOU a mushroom (kept in the dark and fed bs)?
 
As National Security Agency revelations exploded in the media, a Tumblr called “Obama is Checking Your Emails” that spoofs the surveillance went viral.

The meme, which posted it’s first entry on Sunday, is simple - just photos of President Barack Obama looking over people’s shoulders at their computers or phones.

The most popular post depicts a young girl leaning back as Obama reads a computer over her shoulder.

Another popular post shows Obama and some of his top advisers, including Valerie Jarrett and David Axelrod, laughing as they all look at a computer.

Obama email meme goes viral - Hadas Gold - POLITICO.com

americans also have a sense of humor

leno: americans wanted a president who would listen to them

republican congressman stockman: the only place you can go to make sure no one hears you is msnbc
 
General Keith Alexander, chief of both the National Security Agency and the U.S. Cyber Command, met with members of the Senate Intelligence Committee for a briefing about the programs used to amass widespread phone records and online activity. The full Senate will meet with Alexander on Thursday.

General Keith Alexander to brief senators - Burgess Everett and Ginger Gibson - POLITICO.com

why would anyone believe alexander now?

During a March 2012 congressional hearing, NSA Director Keith Alexander told Georgia Democratic Rep. Hank Johnson - 14 times - that his agency wasn't engaged in collecting the kind of domestic digital data that has now become the subject of embarrassing disclosures.

Horrible timing: National Security Agency lists 'Digital Network Exploitation Analyst' internship opening as controversy swirls over digital snooping scandal | Mail Online

keep feeding those mushrooms
 
NSA should have to purge their system, including backups. NSA director needs to be fired, lose his pension and go to jail. This is probably the most egregious violation ever in history.
 
From the DNI:

"As our nation faces the most diverse set of threats I've seen in my 50 years in intelligence, the unauthorized disclosure of two important surveillance programs has inflicted potentially long-lasting and irreversible harm to our ability to identify and respond to those threats. As news coverage of these unauthorized disclosures continues, we need to press on with our mission and not let these disclosures distract us from our intelligence efforts.

"The articles published in conjunction with these leaks contain numerous inaccuracies, both in describing the purpose of our efforts and in the way they characterize the work that we do. They omit key information regarding how these classified intelligence collection programs are used to prevent terrorist attacks and the numerous safeguards Congress, the FISA Court and the Intelligence Community have put in place to protect privacy and civil liberties." :2usflag:
 
Very paranoid, and it ignores that the NSA needs a federal judge to look at the metadata anyway.
 
Very paranoid, and it ignores that the NSA needs a federal judge to look at the metadata anyway.


Since the question at hand is whether the NSA has constitutional authority to even collect the meta data it seems a weak defense to say that there are legal barriers to accessing the data that they have gathered. They've already crashed through a few barriers in the process of gathering the data.
 
Since the question at hand is whether the NSA has constitutional authority to even collect the meta data it seems a weak defense to say that there are legal barriers to accessing the data that they have gathered. They've already crashed through a few barriers in the process of gathering the data.

It would appear that federal judges disagree, wouldn't it?

That's kinda the funny part about all this: people don't just have reservations, they're INSISTING that these operations are illegal. Like INSISTING. Yet it seems real legal minds minds disagree. Hmmm.
 
It would appear that federal judges disagree, wouldn't it?


If judges were infallible there would be no need for a Supreme Court... and if the Supreme Court were infallible there would be no need to overturn legal precedence.


That's kinda the funny part about all this: people don't just have reservations, they're INSISTING that these operations are illegal. Like INSISTING. Yet it seems real legal minds minds disagree. Hmmm.


Do you make it a habit of agreeing with all legal rulings? What are your views on the "Citizens United" ruling?
 
If judges were infallible there would be no need for a Supreme Court... and if the Supreme Court were infallible there would be no need to overturn legal precedence.

Ah, so it could potentially be found illegal later? Quite different from your original phrasing.

Do you make it a habit of agreeing with all legal rulings? What are your views on the "Citizens United" ruling?

I usually do, as I have no law degree myself. I agree with Citizens United.
 
It would appear that federal judges disagree, wouldn't it?

That's kinda the funny part about all this: people don't just have reservations, they're INSISTING that these operations are illegal. Like INSISTING. Yet it seems real legal minds minds disagree. Hmmm.

So what? They work for us.
 
Ah, so it could potentially be found illegal later? Quite different from your original phrasing.


No, it would be found to have always been unconstitutional as a FISA judge apparently found with this NSA data collection.


I usually do, as I have no law degree myself.


Not one to question authority, eh?
 
There is no doubt that if George Bush had done Fast and Furious, the Benghazi lies, the IRS intimidation of political opponents, the misuse of the surveillance technology. he would have already been impeached. The Press would have hounded him out of office.

Obama does the same stuff,no problem

But the truth is that NOBODY, no Liberal, no Conservative, No Christian, No Atheist, no Democrat or Republican or Libertarian, not even a libertine like Clinton, NOBODY should have the power of universal surveillance. We do not need Big Brother.

And the worse truth is that this administration which has been absolutely willing to use the IRS to crush its opponents, to have public officials like Holder and Lerner and Clapper lie blatantly to Congress and the Press, who used surveillance information to destroy Petraeus when Petraeus refused to knuckle under to lying talking points, who has used felony threats to try to intimidate reporters, who has surveilled normal reporters doing normal things, is the absolutely last person who should have the power universal surveillance gives
 
So what? They work for us.
lol what?

No, it would be found to have always been unconstitutional as a FISA judge apparently found with this NSA data collection

Did any disagree? Why are you so against the idea that anyone with any expertise could disagree with your assessment? Very narcissistic sounding.

Not one to question authority, eh?

Nah, I'm not really one to talk out of my ass about things I know nothing about. Are you?
 
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