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Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

The order to spy on the Soviets and people involved on the left of politics
world wide? Well no one really knows since it is a big secret, but since the whole cold war started after WW2.. then about that time.

The order to access metadata from cell phone companiesbwas given somewhere around WWII....ok

And your seemingly ok with any intrusion as long as a " Judge " offers up a warrant.

Let me remind you of the many ccorrupt lunatic left wing judges out there who will give the ok on just about any warrant, including the warrant to spy on a reporter and that reporters parents.

These are the scandals you guys WISH you had on the Republicans from 2000 to 2008....

But instead you had to make your scandald up and now defend rampant criminql behaviour.

Good on you for having such a blatant blind allegiance to a corrupt ideology. Good on you.
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

Why does FOXNews spend more time

LOL!

ask the guardian, ask wapo

ask the hill, brian lamb's favorite source

ask jonathan turley of cnn and usatoday

ask the aclu, ask ron wyden

they (and so many others) would hate to see you remain so confused, especially when they've laid out their screaming objections so loudly and clearly---and legalistically

you might try reading...

never mind

nbc, michael isikoff, last nite:

The National Security Agency has at times mistakenly intercepted the private email messages and phone calls of Americans who had no link to terrorism, requiring Justice Department officials to report the errors to a secret national security court and destroy the data, according to two former U.S. intelligence officials.

At least some of the phone calls and emails were pulled from among the hundreds of millions stored by telecommunications companies as part of an NSA surveillance program. James Clapper, the director of national intelligence, Thursday night publicly acknowledged what he called “a sensitive intelligence collection program” after its existence was disclosed by the Guardian newspaper.

Ret. Adm. Dennis Blair, who served as President Obama’s DNI in 2009 and 2010, told NBC News that, in one instance in 2009, analysts entered a phone number into agency computers and “put one digit wrong,” and mined a large volume of information about Americans with no connection to terror. The matter was reported to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, whose judges required that all the data be destroyed, he said.

Another former senior official, who asked not to be identified, confirmed Blair’s recollection and said the incident created serious problems for the Justice Department, which represents the NSA before the federal judges on the secret court.

The judges “were really upset about this,” said the former official. As a result, Attorney General Eric Holder pledged to the judges that the intelligence agencies would take steps to correct the problem as a condition of renewing the NSA’s surveillance program.

The Justice Department publicly confirmed to the New York Times in April 2009 that Holder had taken “comprehensive steps” to correct a problem in NSA collection after it “detected issues that raised concerns.” But department officials declined to discuss details about what was described at the time as the “over-collection” of information.

In another instance that was made public in July 2012, a U.S. intelligence official acknowledged in a letter to Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon that “on at least one occasion” the national security court found that “some collection” by the intellligence community “was unreasonable under the Fourth Amendment” to the U.S. Constitution. The official also wrote that the Office of the Director of National Intelligence believed that the government’s collection of information “has sometimes circumvented the spirit of the law” and that “on at least one occasion” the national security court had “reached this same conclusion.”

Blair declined to say how many times the NSA had had to report the improper collection of information to the court, but indicated it had happened more than once. A spokesman for current DNI Clapper declined comment.

The 2009 incident that Blair described may shed light on an exchange between Clapper and Sen. Ron Wyden, D.-Ore., at a March hearing of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Blair drew a distinction between the “collection” or mining of data on specific U.S. citizens by NSA and the massive trove of phone call information that was turned over to the NSA under a negotiated agreement among intelligence officials, the telecommunications companies and the FISA judges. The purpose of the FISA order was to store information in the event that U.S. intelligence agencies need to access it after getting specific intelligence that somebody in the U.S. might be tied to terrorism. It is only at that point, he explained, that the NSA goes back to the court to get permission to mine or “collect” the data.

But the intelligence community’s distinction between “storing” and “collecting” data does not satisfy privacy and civil liberties advocates. “They are playing games,” said Cindy Cohn, a lawyer for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which is suing U.S. phone companies over their cooperation with the NSA. Of the improper collection acknowledged by Blair, she said, “Who knows how many times this has happened?”

inadvertent, illegal...

and they can't say how many times

stay tuned

to wingnuts at nbc
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

How many conservatives around here do you think were ok with this type stuff when Bush was in office?

An extremely large majority of them

Terrorism (4)

Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. May 11-12, 2006. N=1,007 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults).


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"As you may know, there are reports that the NSA, a government intelligence agency, has been collecting the phone call records of Americans. The agency doesn't actually listen to the calls but logs in nearly every phone number to create a database of calls made within the United States. Which of the following comes CLOSER to your own view of this domestic surveillance program? It is a necessary tool to combat terrorism. It goes too far in invading people's privacy."

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------------------------- Necessary------Goes
------------------------- Tool--------------Too Far----- Unsure

ALL adults ---------------41-------------- 53 ------------6
Republicans -----------69 ---------------26 ------------5
Democrats ------------21 ---------------73 ------------6
Independents ---------41 ---------------56 ------------3

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"In light of this news and other executive actions by the Bush-Cheney Administration, in general, do you think they have gone too far in expanding presidential power, or not?"


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------------------------ Have Gone -------- Have Not
------------------------ Too Far -------- Gone Too Far -------Unsure

ALL adults -------------- 57 ------------------ 38 ----------------- 5
Republicans ------------25 ----------------- 73 ------------------ 2
Democrats ------------81 ------------------ 14 ------------------ 5
Independents --------- 61 ----------------- 35 ------------------ 4
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

So Obama is renewing this program because hes afraid?

Congress is renewing it very regularly to hand Obama this power he should not have.
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

Hey Obama, if you're reading this, go **** yourself.

PS, I'm sure he read this and was hurt deeply by your post. He posts under the moniker "I'mYourPresident" (literally) ...
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

Governments don't give up powers, people do give up outrage...

Cool statement.
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

Cool statement.

If thats an honest reply and not a sarcastic "Cool Story Bro" then Thanks, its a Lachean original quote that comes from my outrage fatigue... my camel's back has been broken so many times he doesn't care anymore what this government does short of door to door gun confiscations.
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

An extremely large majority of them

If we say Bush was given too much power then that means Obama is a balls to the wall leftist tyrant.
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

If thats an honest reply and not a sarcastic "Cool Story Bro" then Thanks, its a Lachean original quote that comes from my outrage fatigue... my camel's back has been broken so many times he doesn't care anymore what this government does short of door to door gun confiscations.
I liked it.
A lot of truth there.
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

If thats an honest reply and not a sarcastic "Cool Story Bro" then Thanks, its a Lachean original quote that comes from my outrage fatigue... my camel's back has been broken so many times he doesn't care anymore what this government does short of door to door gun confiscations.

No sarcasm. It was cool. Like one of my favorite Ralph Nader quotes when he was trying to tell people to engage politically:

"You better turn onto government or government will turn on you."​


This statement you made:

Governments don't give up powers, people do give up outrage...​

I've thought for some time and I believe it is something that is calculated by politicians which is why they introduce garbage bills like SOPA and then just let people burn themselves out combatting it then just reintroduce it soon after it's defeat knowing that people can't sustain the fight.
 
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I just want to know where all the, "If you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about," people are? You know, the ones who staunchly defended President Bush when all this wiretapping news hit the media years ago?

Why does FOXNews spend more time on this Faux-issue than they do on their owner wiretapping citizens in the UK?

Face it folks, privacy is subjective. The validations for violating said privacy is also subjective.

I think we would all be surprised to know just how much about us is available for public or private disclosure, should one take the time to dig.

So youre ok with Obama doing this?
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

Congress is renewing it very regularly to hand Obama this power he should not have.

Congress doesn't renew it. Obama has someone go to FISA every three months. You said he wouldn't be doing this if Bush hasn't made us all afraid. So Bush made Obama afraid?
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

Congress is renewing it

"the only lawmakers who knew about PRISM were bound by oaths of office to hold their tongues"

the guardian above

you don't know what you're talking about (never stopped you before)

you don't know wyden's and udall's role in all this?

you don't know much
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

Congress doesn't renew it. Obama has someone go to FISA every three months. You said he wouldn't be doing this if Bush hasn't made us all afraid. So Bush made Obama afraid?

I did not say he wouldn't be going to FISA. That's you building a straw man. I said absolutely nothing about FISA. I was referring to the Patriot Act. A bill that would never have passed congress without hyping fear after 9/11 and ramming it through overnight.

I keep saying that I don't approve of Obama doing this yet you righties keep trying to defend your party by trying to pin it all on Obama as if he invented this shyte.
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

I find it interesting not only how so many people quickly forget how this type of survellience has been going on since 9/11 AND how easily the 9/11 highjackers and terrlorist since have used cell phones to plot their schemes and coordinate their attacks. Moreover, this survellince activity isn't as invasive as the warrantless wiretaps that were originally called for under the Patriot Act.

You can't have it both ways. You can't ask that the gov't take preventive measures to catch the bad guys where they hide - right under our noses in plain sight using our communications networks against us - then complain when a bombing like what took place at the Boston Marathon happens yet whine that our gov't and local law enforcement didn't do enough to stop it. It just doesn't work like that. So pick a side: civil liberty w/the constant threat of terror at you r doorstep or lose alittle bit of privacy to keep America safe?

Pick a side. And let's not quote Ben Franklin on the issue of liberty and security. I seriouly doubt he would have invisioned such acts of terrorism happening on US soil.
 
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I find it interesting not only how so many people quickly forget how this type of survellience has been going on since 9/11 but also how easily the 9/11 highjackers and terrlorist since have used cell phones to plot their schemes and coordinate their attacks. Moreover, this survellince activity isn't as invasive as the warrantless wiretaps originally called for under the Patriot Act.

You can't have it both ways. You can't ask the the gov't take preventive measures to catch the bad guys where they hide - right under our noses in plain sight using our communications networks against use - then complain when a bombing like what took place at the Boston Marathon happens only whine that our gov't and local law enforcement didn't do enough to stop it. It just doesn't work like that. So pick a side: civil liberty w/the constant threat of terror at you r doorstep or alittle bit of privacy to keep America safe?

Pick a side.

Civil liberty any day.

It is impossible to make America 'safe' from terrorism.

America is about freedom, not cowering in fear - violating Constitutional rights to feel safer. By doing the latter, the terrorists win without firing a shot.

I believe that I will NEVER support violating the Constitution in the name of 'national security' - unless a declared state-of-war exists with another country(s).

America with the Conctitution being violated whenever the government wants is America in name only.
 
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What cracks me up is how so many people get upset about the gov't collecting personal cellphone info even if how they do it now means ALL they collect are numbers not content yet they have no problem answering an online survey for a free iphone or game system giving up their name, email address and other personal info that likely is GIVEN to a 3rd-party vender WITHOUT their knowledge.

Think it through, folks.
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

Noble argument but last I checked America IS at war...on terrorism. So until that "war" is declared over I support my gov't doing everything it can to protect the homeland without violating the Constitution. And since no private info is being collected and no conversations are being monitored I don't see the problem.
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

I did not say he wouldn't be going to FISA. That's you building a straw man. I said absolutely nothing about FISA. I was referring to the Patriot Act. A bill that would never have passed congress without hyping fear after 9/11 and ramming it through overnight.

I keep saying that I don't approve of Obama doing this yet you righties keep trying to defend your party by trying to pin it all on Obama as if he invented this shyte.

You said 'none of this would be happening if it wasn't for Bush making us afraid'. This = Obama having the NSA collect all the phone records for everyone in the US. So, Im still trying to get clarification. Its Bush's fault that Obama is afraid?
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

What cracks me up is how so many people get upset about the gov't collecting personal cellphone info even if how they do it now means ALL they collect are numbers not content yet they have no problem answering an online survey for a free iphone or game system giving up their name, email address and other personal info that likely is GIVEN to a 3rd-party vender WITHOUT their knowledge.

Think it through, folks.

One is voluntary, the other is not. There, thought through it.
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

I find it interesting not only how so many people quickly forget how this type of survellience has been going on since 9/11 AND how easily the 9/11 highjackers and terrlorist since have used cell phones to plot their schemes and coordinate their attacks. Moreover, this survellince activity isn't as invasive as the warrantless wiretaps that were originally called for under the Patriot Act.

You can't have it both ways. You can't ask that the gov't take preventive measures to catch the bad guys where they hide - right under our noses in plain sight using our communications networks against us - then complain when a bombing like what took place at the Boston Marathon happens yet whine that our gov't and local law enforcement didn't do enough to stop it. It just doesn't work like that. So pick a side: civil liberty w/the constant threat of terror at you r doorstep or lose alittle bit of privacy to keep America safe?

Pick a side. And let's not quote Ben Franklin on the issue of liberty and security. I seriouly doubt he would have invisioned such acts of terrorism happening on US soil.

We didn't forget. We never knew. These are SECRET warrants. The NSA denied, under oath, that they were doing this.
 
Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

You said 'none of this would be happening if it wasn't for Bush making us afraid'. This = Obama having the NSA collect all the phone records for everyone in the US. So, Im still trying to get clarification. Its Bush's fault that Obama is afraid?

As I stated before paraphrasing Bob Barr, the previous presidents policies that make his ceiling become the floor of the next president that he then builds a new higher ceiling. When the legislature cedes power to the executive it is rarely if ever given back. This is what I meant with the Patriot Act. It's Bush's fault for building that fiasco and constructing that new ceiling and it's Obama's fault for agreeing to extend and use it. Especially when he initially ran on opposing it.
 
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