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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Is that enough or do you want tears too?
    A hairball would be nice.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    You had me at right wing tard.
    I haven't done the research, but it's a fair bet that every single GOP pol w/the exception of Rand Paul is in favor of the policy.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And where's your outrage now? I don't remember you being a silent observer or critic regarding survellience during the Bush years.

    No matter the administration, it is wrong in my eyes.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Did the Bush Administration perform wholesale warrant-less wiretapping of entire telecom subscribers? If so, that would have been horrible too.

    edit: And more to the point, this isn't warrant-less wiretapping, its data mining, and guess what? It was asinine then, and its asinine now.
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    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Seriously? This is old ****ing news. Where was your outrage during the Bush years?
    These are not the Bush years, these are the Obama years. We are talking about TODAY. Dismissing government over reach because it has happened before is a coward's way out. Your boy in office promised the most transparent administration ever. I doubt anyone thought that transparency would extend to citizen's information. Are you seriously going to defend this administration for doing something you chastise the last one for? If it was wrong under Bush I would expect this pillar of the people to correct it, not expand it.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Not sure what you mean. This was started under Bush and Obama said he supported it even back then. Both were wrong, but it's not new.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    There were a large number of conservatives upset about the patriot act. The running joke was that democrats had finally joined the "Black Helicopter" conspiracy theorists in their fear and mistrust of the government.

    And a large part (at least here at DP, to the best of my recollection) who defended it all, by saying that it makes them feel safer from terrorists and they have nothing to hide anyway.


    Pretending people from both sides werent upset with and apprehensive about the Patriot act is just simply dishonest.
    I agree. So who did that?

    That being said...we arent talking about GWB and its the worst kind of pathetic to continually defend 'your guy' by comparing his actions to Bush.
    Who is 'my guy' and where was I defending him?

    There is no comparison BTW. Many portions of the Patriot Act were dangerous and just plain wrong. Obama? He has taken this to its own level. He has esentially declared American Citizens HAVE no freedoms or rights to privacy...that they are all subject to the whims of the federal government and the greater good, and you and people like you cheer him on and defend him at every turn. The government has no business being in your house...unless of course Obama says so in which case the government has every right to know what is in your freezer, your emails, to listen to your cell phone conversations, and know what kind of deodorant you wear.
    What Obama is doing now is no different than during the Bush years. The only difference is that Bush and his Administration came up with all of this, in the name of protection.

    But...but BUSH did it too...
    He most certainly did.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    The reporter who broke the story (Glenn Greenwald) is about to give (first?) radio interview on this story.

    You can listen at:
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    Starting now...

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    How is that relevant?
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061892444

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yeah, but that was going in the opposite direction. Basically, if the suicide-bomber-facilitator in Quetta made a sudden phone call to New York, we didn't stop collecting just because the other end of the line was in New York - we waited to see who was getting called by suicide-bomber-facilitators from Pakistan.

    This seems more like collecting every single American phone records, and sifting through them to see who's been naughty or nice.

    It's the difference between a policeman having probable cause, and searching you just to see if anything turns up.
    We have had this conversation before--and have managed to keep it civil and productive--despite coming at it from different angles. I respect your stance, and can see the possible benefits... but in the end, to me, the possible consequences are greater than the benefits.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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