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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    The reason that this among other scandals all swirling around Obama right now, are so partisan in nature, is because Obama has purposely made that a fact by using the victim card in his defense instead of being open and transparent like he promised.

    The funny thing I see here are many of the same people bitching and moaning about the scrutiny today of Obama, are the same people that were calling for the scrutiny and in some cases, arrest of Bush, Cheney, and Rove....Government today really is just one giant soap opera....
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The reason that this among other scandals all swirling around Obama right now, are so partisan in nature, is because Obama has purposely made that a fact by using the victim card in his defense instead of being open and transparent like he promised.

    The funny thing I see here are many of the same people bitching and moaning about the scrutiny today of Obama, are the same people that were calling for the scrutiny and in some cases, arrest of Bush, Cheney, and Rove....Government today really is just one giant soap opera....
    And yet 90% of the voters on this forum will vote for the same people again. Insanity expecting a different result next time.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The reason that this among other scandals all swirling around Obama right now, are so partisan in nature, is because Obama has purposely made that a fact by using the victim card in his defense instead of being open and transparent like he promised.

    The funny thing I see here are many of the same people bitching and moaning about the scrutiny today of Obama, are the same people that were calling for the scrutiny and in some cases, arrest of Bush, Cheney, and Rove....Government today really is just one giant soap opera....
    You're trying to equate Obama's non-crimes with Bush/Cheney taking a country to war under false pretenses? And knowingly lying to get it done? You people sure do have some racist hate in your country.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    buzzfeed, formerly newsweek, tina brown:

    Why Democrats Love To Spy On Americans

    Glenn Greenwald’s exposure of the NSA’s massive domestic spy program has revealed the entire caste of current Democratic leaders as a gang of civil liberty opportunists, whose true passion, it seems, was in trolling George W. Bush for eight years on matters of national security.

    “Everyone should just calm down,” Senator Harry Reid said yesterday, inhaling slowly.

    That’s right: don’t panic.

    The very topic of Democratic two-facedness on civil liberties is one of the most important issues that Greenwald has covered. Many of those Dems — including the sitting President Barack Obama, Senator Carl Levin, and Sec. State John Kerry — have now become the stewards and enhancers of programs that appear to dwarf any of the spying scandals that broke during the Bush years, the very same scandals they used as wedge issues to win elections in the Congressional elections 2006 and the presidential primary of 2007-2008.

    Recall what Senator Levin told CNN in 2005, demanding to “urgently hold an inquiry” into what was supposedly President Bush’s domestic wiretap program.

    Levin continued, at length: “It means that there’s some growing concern on Capitol Hill about a program which seems to be so totally unauthorized and unexplained… The president wraps himself in the law, saying that it is totally legal, but he doesn’t give what the legal basis is for this. He avoided using the law, which we provided to the president, where even when there is an emergency and there’s a need for urgent action can first tap the wire and then go to a court.”

    Now, we’re about to see if the Obama administration’s version of the national security state will begin to eat itself.

    Unsurprisingly, the White House has dug in, calling their North Korea-esque tools “essential” to stop terrorism, and loathe to give up the political edge they’ve seized for Democrats on national security issues under Obama’s leadership. The AP spying scandal — which the administration attempted to downplay at the time, even appointing Eric Holder to lead his own investigation into himself —was one of the unexpected consequences of one of two leak investigations that Obama ordered during the 2012 campaign.

    In short: any so-called credible DOJ/FBI leak investigation, by its very nature, would have to involve the Obama administration invasively using the very surveillance and data techniques it is attempting to hide in order to snoop on a few Democratic Senators and more media outlets, including one based overseas.

    Transparency supporters, whistleblowers, and investigative reporters, especially those writers who have aggressively pursued the connections between the corporate defense industry and federal and local authorities involved in domestic surveillance, have been viciously attacked by the Obama administration and its allies in the FBI and DOJ.

    Jacob Appplebaum, a transparency activist and computer savant, has been repeatedly harassed at American borders, having his laptop seized. Barrett Brown, another investigative journalist who has written for Vanity Fair, among others publications, exposed the connections between the private contracting firm HB Gary (a government contracting firm that, incidentally, proposed a plan to spy on and ruin the reputation of the Guardian’s Greenwald) and who is currently sitting in a Texas prison on trumped up FBI charges regarding his legitimate reportorial inquiry into the political collective known sometimes as Anonymous.

    That’s not to mention former NSA official Thomas Drake (the Feds tried to destroy his life because he blew the whistle ); Fox News reporter James Rosen (named a “co-conspirator” by Holder’s DOJ); John Kirakou, formerly in the CIA, who raised concerns about the agency’s torture program, is also in prison for leaking “harmful” (read: embarrassing) classified info.
    democrat trolling?

    stay tuned

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    The American people will decide that it's in their best interests to allow spying but there will be some facesaving mechanism to be insisted upon by the repubs. Obama will win the day and this one fades slowly into obscurity too.

    And the Obama haters will edge even closer to having their mental breakdowns. Or maybe with a bit of luck some of them will go git their gunnnnns and decide to settle the score with second mendmunt methuds.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    the Obama haters will edge even closer to having their mental breakdowns
    LOL!

    tell it to tina

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    The American people will decide that it's in their best interests to allow spying but there will be some facesaving mechanism to be insisted upon by the repubs. Obama will win the day and this one fades slowly into obscurity too.

    And the Obama haters will edge even closer to having their mental breakdowns. Or maybe with a bit of luck some of them will go git their gunnnnns and decide to settle the score with second mendmunt methuds.
    And the Obama Lovers will continue their deluded lives.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Paper reveals NSA ops in Latin America - The Washington Post

    Just when they thought this was dead....
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

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    Paper reveals NSA ops in Latin America - The Washington Post

    Just when they thought this was dead....
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