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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Some?

    I would say most or a very large minority.

    If someone remains civil - as you seem to be so far - this greatly increases my 'tolerance' (for lack of a better word) for exchanging personal opinions as maybe something will be learned along the way. But even that has a limit. Once both positions are clearly stated, I see little point in continuing.

    But people that are clearly just on here to vent or troll are complete wastes of time to me.

    I used to debate these people until I realized how pointless it is.

    Now they usually just go on my ignore lists...life is WAY too short.

    And they seem SO easy to spot now...they are the ones whose lives are probably empty/unhappy and they come on here to try and vent and take out their frustrations on others...while safely tucked behind their computer/tablet/smartphone screens.

    Pathetic.
    Some people are always quick to throw in the 'trolling' charge when uncomfortable truths are put to them. And on many forums it works too! I think the best thing to do is to put the uncomfortable truths forward early on and find out whether the forum moderators are going to come to those people's rescue. I like to get that decided in my first day.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    Some people are always quick to throw in the 'trolling' charge when uncomfortable truths are put to them. And on many forums it works too! I think the best thing to do is to put the uncomfortable truths forward early on and find out whether the forum moderators are going to come to those people's rescue. I like to get that decided in my first day.
    I don't want the moderators to 'rescue' me or anyone else...I would rather they let people say ANYTHING they want.

    Free speech above all else.

    But I have yet to find a board that allows that.


    That makes it doubly frustrating - that I cannot tell trolls/jerks what I really think of them (unless they go to the 'Dungeon' - but most jerks/trolls never seem to have the 'guts' to go there...and I have invited several).

    As soon as I do...the mods step in.

    So why bother?


    And IMO, there is NO such thing as an 'uncomfortable truth'.

    I will take a little humility to learn the truth ANY DAY.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I don't want the moderators to 'rescue' me or anyone else...I would rather they let people say ANYTHING they want.

    Free speech above all else.

    But I have yet to find a board that allows that.


    That makes it doubly frustrating - that I cannot tell trolls/jerks what I really think of them (unless they go to the 'Dungeon' - but most jerks/trolls never seem to have the 'guts' to go there...and I have invited several).

    As soon as I do...the mods step in.

    So why bother?


    And IMO, there is NO such thing as an 'uncomfortable truth'.

    I will take a little humility to learn the truth ANY DAY.
    If there's any way that I can invite your derision toward me then let me know. I will say, you can send me a p.m. and say anything you want to say and I'll not report you. Quote this if you like. I still contend though that the old charge of 'troll' is just an empassioned scream to the moderators for help when one is unable to carry on the conversation in an acceptable manner.

    But also, to your charges specifically: I do come on here to vent and take out my frustrations. I think that everybody is doing the same and that's the only real useful purpose to these sort of forums. I very worthwhile purpose in my opinion because it probably reaches more politically involved people than that which is the MSM.

    So fill your boots now and get it off your chest if you must. then maybe we can get down to serious business.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    If there's any way that I can invite your derision toward me then let me know. I will say, you can send me a p.m. and say anything you want to say and I'll not report you. Quote this if you like. I still contend though that the old charge of 'troll' is just an empassioned scream to the moderators for help when one is unable to carry on the conversation in an acceptable manner.

    But also, to your charges specifically: I do come on here to vent and take out my frustrations. I think that everybody is doing the same and that's the only real useful purpose to these sort of forums. I very worthwhile purpose in my opinion because it probably reaches more politically involved people than that which is the MSM.

    So fill your boots now and get it off your chest if you must. then maybe we can get down to serious business.
    Two posts and he put me on the ignore list... which is totally fine.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    If there's any way that I can invite your derision toward me then let me know. I will say, you can send me a p.m. and say anything you want to say and I'll not report you. Quote this if you like. I still contend though that the old charge of 'troll' is just an empassioned scream to the moderators for help when one is unable to carry on the conversation in an acceptable manner.

    But also, to your charges specifically: I do come on here to vent and take out my frustrations. I think that everybody is doing the same and that's the only real useful purpose to these sort of forums. I very worthwhile purpose in my opinion because it probably reaches more politically involved people than that which is the MSM.

    So fill your boots now and get it off your chest if you must. then maybe we can get down to serious business.
    Okaaaaay.....welcome to my ignore list.

    Oh...welcome to the board.


    Have a nice day.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Okaaaaay.....welcome to my ignore list.


    Have a nice day.
    LMAO... I wonder how long it will take until he's sitting in a corner all by himself?

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Okaaaaay.....welcome to my ignore list.

    Oh...welcome to the board.


    Have a nice day.
    If you're sure that's what you need to do then that's fine with me. I usually consider that kind of running away as 'mission accomplished'!

    Really, I'm only here to put forward the uncomfortable truths to my political foes and have them step up to the plate and defend their ideology. If you can't do that then fine.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    LMAO... I wonder how long it will take until he's sitting in a corner all by himself?
    Who me? I find that highly unlikely friend. My biggest concern is getting through the first day here by staying civil and within the oconfines of the forum's rules. Which surely must take a dim view of your and DA's off topic behaviour. And for that reason I'm out unless we get back on topic.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    an old NYTimes article
    LOL!

    june 6?

    that has been edited
    it sure was

    LOL!

    N.Y. Times changes scathing editorial - POLITICO.com

    edited by whom?

    and why?

    "lost all credibility on this issue"
    isn't that the issue we're talking about?

    cuz, he didn't lose just some credibility...

    laments the lady

    the absurdity you're peddling
    LOL!

    the absurdity who's peddling?

    in all the anti-Obama circles he never had credibility
    the nyt is anti obama and circular?

    bottom line:

    "the nsa has long justified its spying powers by arguing that its charter allows surveillance on those outside of the united states, while avoiding intrusions into the private communications of american citizens, but the latest revelation of the extent of the nsa’s surveillance shows that it has focused specifically on americans, to the degree that its data collection has in at least one major spying incident explicitly excluded those outside the us"

    "aside from the sheer scope of that surveillance order, the order specifically states that only data regarding calls originating in america are to be handed over, not those between foreigners"

    "the nsa's spying goes beyond foreigners to include americans, despite its charter specifically disallowing surveillance of those within the us"

    "the nsa’s charter states that it focuses on interception and analysis of foreign communications, not those within the united states"

    "in a congressional hearing in march of last year, the nsa’s director keith alexander responded to questions from georgia congressman hank johnson, who brought up allegations of the nsa’s domestic spying made in a wired magazine article earlier that month, denying fourteen times that the nsa intercepted americans’ communications"

    alexander: "we're not authorized to do it, nor do we do it"

    the (ugh) guardian above

    stay tuned
    Last edited by The Prof; 06-15-13 at 04:35 PM.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael66 View Post
    If you're sure that's what you need to do then that's fine with me. I usually consider that kind of running away as 'mission accomplished'!

    Really, I'm only here to put forward the uncomfortable truths to my political foes and have them step up to the plate and defend their ideology. If you can't do that then fine.
    Lol...'mission accomplished'...'political foes'...'defend their ideology'...yup, spot 'em a mile away.


    I am on here to learn, teach and kill a little time.

    You seem to be on here to play video games with words.

    Enjoy your venting...may it bring you what you need (notice I said 'need', not 'want').


    Have a very nice day.
    Last edited by DA60; 06-15-13 at 04:37 PM.

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