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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

    the need for "traditional surveillance techniques," "good old fashioned tip offs," "clue driven," continues

    FBI knew earlier of Boston bombing suspect - POLITICO.com

    too bad tamerlan was a member of a mosque instead of, say, tony perkins' frc...

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    LOL!

    tell it to david corn

    and the fisa judge ("unreasonable under the fourth amendment")

    and the nyt

    NYT: Obama admin 'has lost all credibility'
    Oh, that's just great...use an old NYTimes article that has been edited from "lost all credibility" (President Obama’s Dragnet) to "lost all credibility on this issue" (Was Change in Obama Editorial a 'Softening' of The Times's Position? | The Public Editor - NYTimes.com). Nice try though, but only the uninformed and/or partisan hacks would buy the absurdity you're peddling. (Of course, I suppose in all the anti-Obama circles he never had credibility in their eyes (which includes yourself) anyway. No love lost...)

    Sidenote: Senators skip classified briefing on NSA snooping to catch flights home


    A recent briefing by senior intelligence officials on surveillance programs failed to attract even half of the Senate, showing the lack of enthusiasm in Congress for learning about classified security programs. [WATCH VIDEO]

    Many senators elected to leave Washington early Thursday afternoon instead of attending a briefing with James Clapper, the Director of National Intelligence, Keith Alexander, the head of the National Security Agency (NSA), and other officials.
    Interesting...

    For this to have been such a big civil liberties SNAFU where "all of Congress wasn't informed" about the surveillance program, it's mighty interesting that half of the U.S. Senate skips out on the briefing. Kinda tells you what's really important to these people - collecting a paycheck and going on vacation as quickly as possible.

    Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...#ixzz2WJ40jxmi
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    No, it was opened in the Clinton years by no other than.... Joe Biden. In the name of protecting us against terrorists.

    That's right, Clinton and Biden drafted nearly identical legislation to the Patriot Act back in 1995...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-con...ic-spying.html
    Not based-on the articles I have read and nothing you have shown me proves that Clinton okayed warrantless wiretapping within the United States. I am talking about warrantless wiretapping, and the Bush administration were caught doing it before it became law (The Patriot Act, to be exact).

    October 4: President George W. Bush secretly authorizes the NSA to track suspected terrorists by monitoring domestic communications without a warrant. The 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Actprohibits the government from eavesdropping inside the United States without first getting a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, also known as the FISA court.
    October 26: Bush signs the Patriot Act. The law expands the government's electronic surveillance powers. "The existing law was written in the era of rotary telephones. This new law that I sign today will allow surveillance of all communications used by terrorists, including emails, the internet, and cellphones," Bush declares.
    The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama | Mother Jones
    NSA warrantless surveillance (2001
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    First off, wiretapping is only one issue regarding the patriot act and it's consequences, why narrow it to that?

    Second... what isn't wiretapping?

    No.

    It's warrantless wiretapping.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Not based-on the articles I have read and nothing you have shown me proves that Clinton okayed warrantless wiretapping within the United States. I am talking about warrantless wiretapping, and the Bush administration were caught doing it before it became law (The Patriot Act, to be exact).



    The Domestic Surveillance Boom, From Bush to Obama | Mother Jones
    NSA warrantless surveillance (2001
    He didn't get the chance, the republicans forced it to be stripped from the bill before it passed. But he wanted it, why do you suppose that is?

    My point is, it's not a party issue. It's not a "who's in power now" issue. The Patriot Act opened the door... Biden wrote the first draft of the Patriot Act... initially including warrantless wiretapping, indefinite detentions, etc.

    It was never my intention to "prove" that Clinton performed such acts. Merely to point out the boundless myopia on both sides of this issue.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Most of us know the facts. There is really little new on this. Once that is done, it is about our opinions on what we know.
    No one can ever know ALL the facts.

    And why would I care much what a bunch of faceless people online think about a subject?

    Especially if they go on and on and on with their baseless opinions...and steadfastly refuse to consider the possibility that maybe they are incorrect.

    Debating on and on about something - while learning NOTHING new about it - maybe your idea of fun.

    It sounds like a COMPLETE waste of time to me.

    Throw in the fact that many on here quickly get WAY too emotional/angry (I am not referring to you)...and then it gets wasteful AND annoying.

    Pass.


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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    No one can ever know ALL the facts.

    And why would I care much what a bunch of faceless people online think about a subject?

    Especially if they go on and on and on with their baseless opinions...and steadfastly refuse to consider the possibility that maybe they are incorrect.

    Debating on and on about something - while learning NOTHING new about it - maybe your idea of fun.

    It sounds like a COMPLETE waste of time to me.

    Throw in the fact that many on here quickly get WAY too emotional/angry (I am not referring to you)...and then it gets wasteful AND annoying.

    Pass.


    Have a nice day.
    You have to have new facts. Repeating what we all know, or a familiar spin on hem isn't all that helpful.

    But yes, some do get too emotional.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You have to have new facts. Repeating what we all know, or a familiar spin on hem isn't all that helpful.

    But yes, some do get too emotional.
    Some?

    I would say most or a very large minority.

    If someone remains civil - as you seem to be so far - this greatly increases my 'tolerance' (for lack of a better word) for exchanging personal opinions as maybe something will be learned along the way. But even that has a limit. Once both positions are clearly stated, I see little point in continuing.

    But people that are clearly just on here to vent or troll are complete wastes of time to me.

    I used to debate these people until I realized how pointless it is.

    Now they usually just go on my ignore lists...life is WAY too short.

    And they seem SO easy to spot now...they are the ones whose lives are probably empty/unhappy and they come on here to try and vent and take out their frustrations on others...while safely tucked behind their computer/tablet/smartphone screens.

    Pathetic.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    It's decision time for Americans, or at least soon will be. They have to decide whether or not their NSA is going to be allowed to do what is necessary to protect them and their country when they have earned so many enemies in foreign lands through wars of aggression.

    Or

    They decide it's just a better idea to stop the wars of aggression?

    Didn't Ron Paul make that crystal clear? If that near senile old man ever did say anything sensible it was that!

    Oh, and there is a third choice! Take your chances.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Some?

    I would say most or a very large minority.

    If someone remains civil - as you seem to be so far - this greatly increases my 'tolerance' for exchanging personal opinions as maybe something will be learned along the way. But even that has a limit. Once both positions are clearly stated, I see little point in continuing.

    But people that are clearly just on here to vent or troll are complete wastes of time to me.

    I used to debate these people until I realized how pointless it is.

    Now they usually just go on my ignore lists...life is WAY too short.
    I actually understand and accept that. For some you either can some fun with them or ignore them. Not much else to choose from.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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