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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    LOL!

    tell it to david corn

    and the fisa judge ("unreasonable under the fourth amendment")

    and the nyt

    NYT: Obama admin 'has lost all credibility'
    Hmmm. I usually prefer to be on the side opposed by David Corn.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    It's older than that...

    No, it was opened in the Clinton years by no other than.... Joe Biden. In the name of protecting us against terrorists.

    That's right, Clinton and Biden drafted nearly identical legislation to the Patriot Act back in 1995...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-con...ic-spying.html


    This isn't wiretapping.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    This isn't wiretapping.
    First off, wiretapping is only one issue regarding the patriot act and it's consequences, why narrow it to that?

    Second... what isn't wiretapping?

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    How 'bout the one that's in place right now that is the topic of this thread? Let's not play ignorant here, please.

    The Patriot Act and FISA law provide the legal means to do this. You guys are just pissed that the Administration didn't tell you about it. (But psssst....I have a secret for you...that's what SECRET means...don't tell anyone...shhhh!)
    Very well said.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I said 'not endless opinions' - not 'not any opinions'.


    However, long-winded debates with people bringing nothing but personal opinions holds little interest for me.
    Most of us know the facts. There is really little new on this. Once that is done, it is about our opinions on what we know.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    But there were warrants issued legally do you agree...secret or otherwise? Therefore, you can't say that the NSA broke the law just because the public wasn't aware that the surveillence program was in affect. This is different from the WARRANTLESS wiretaps of Nixon or the WARRANTLESS cellphone surveillences of GWB.
    I'm quite sure that there are no warrants at all involved in PRISM.

    There were some rubberstamp FISA warrants involved in other related controversies, but not with PRISM.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    No problem.

    Yes or No, does that change the reality that had Bush/Cheney/Ashcroft not pushed through the Patriot Act and set up the first data collection centers, Obama would not have been able to use it in the manner he did?

    Yes or No, were you aware that before they were for the Patriot Act, the republicans were dead set against it?
    Ain't it amazing, what a little anthrax will do?

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I am not pretending anything.

    What Obama authorized was wrong.

    If GWB did as well, he was wrong as well.
    You are pretending that there's some kind of "if" about it. There is none


    But that, imo, in NO WAY excuses Obama's actions.
    Your focus on Obama, even though both parties and all three branches of govt. are complicit in this, demonstrates that Boo's speculation that your concern was motivated by hostility to a democratic president was on point.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Ain't it amazing, what a little anthrax will do?
    Exactly. Fear, the greatest motivator.

    The problem in '95 was that folks had time to read the bill, debate it, report on it, and there was a public outcry. The republicans were ready to pick up the fumble and run it to the constitutional goal line for big points. However, they weren't opposed to it on constitutional grounds, they just wanted to keep Clinton from using it against their party. Once in power, along comes the patriot act, which mirrors Clinton's act and they rectify their mistake of the past... giving anyone time to read or debate the bill.

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