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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I'm talking specifically about general warrantless wiretapping. That can of worms was opened during the Bush era... in the name of protecting against terrorists.
    Did the Bush Administration perform wholesale warrant-less wiretapping of entire telecom subscribers? If so, that would have been horrible too.

    edit: And more to the point, this isn't warrant-less wiretapping, its data mining, and guess what? It was asinine then, and its asinine now.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    IN all honestly, despite this being a blatant violation of the Constitution (supported, obviously by every right wing tard in Congress), I doubt Obama is the kind of dude to use the data for malicious purposes or even hunt down terrorists.

    For starters, any terrorist worth his salt wouldn't be stupid enough to talk over a cell phone.

    I believe that O is simply trying to play Chicago-style politics, i. e. dig up compromising info on his political opponents and/or their corporate sponsors and then threaten to use it against them to achieve his political goals.

    IMHO, federal politicians are not entitled to Constitutional protections. The Constitution applies only to the people.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    You think they haven't/won't ask all the other carriers for the same information?
    Heh, yeah, youre probably right. Guess Ill have to get a burner phone.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    IN all honestly, despite this being a blatant violation of the Constitution (supported, obviously by every right wing tard in Congress), I doubt Obama is the kind of dude to use the data for malicious purposes or even hunt down terrorists.

    For starters, any terrorist worth his salt wouldn't be stupid enough to talk over a cell phone.

    I believe that O is simply trying to play Chicago-style politics, i. e. dig up compromising info on his political opponents and/or their corporate sponsors and then threaten to use it against them to achieve his political goals.

    IMHO, federal politicians are not entitled to Constitutional protections. The Constitution applies only to the people.
    Umm....first, Politicians are still citizens. You're of the opinion that becoming a politician should remove your constitutional protections of free speech, assembly, etc?

    Second...are you seriously just coming out and saying that you don't think there's anything wrong with a president using unconstitutional actions, or even constitutional actions, of the government with the explicite purpose of damaging political opponents? O.o Like, for instance, Nixon and watergate...a-okay?

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Judging from the partisanship of your OP, it's not a stretch to think you've given the Bush Administration a big pass on this. Or, you simply did not know that this has been going on for some time, and are not completely deflated because it's one less false outrage against Obama in your playbook.
    There were a large number of conservatives upset about the patriot act. The running joke was that democrats had finally joined the "Black Helicopter" conspiracy theorists in their fear and mistrust of the government. Pretending people from both sides werent upset with and apprehensive about the Patriot act is just simply dishonest. That being said...we arent talking about GWB and its the worst kind of pathetic to continually defend 'your guy' by comparing his actions to Bush. There is no comparison BTW. Many portions of the Patriot Act were dangerous and just plain wrong. Obama? He has taken this to its own level. He has esentially declared American Citizens HAVE no freedoms or rights to privacy...that they are all subject to the whims of the federal government and the greater good, and you and people like you cheer him on and defend him at every turn. The government has no business being in your house...unless of course Obama says so in which case the government has every right to know what is in your freezer, your emails, to listen to your cell phone conversations, and know what kind of deodorant you wear.

    But...but BUSH did it too...


    Thats so ****ing pathetic.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Umm....first, Politicians are still citizens.
    Not really. They're merely tools used by the wealthy, but they're supposed to work for the people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You're of the opinion that becoming a politician should remove your constitutional protections of free speech, assembly, etc?
    Absolutely. Those freedoms belong to the people, and granting pols the same rights compromises the ability of the people to hold them accountable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Second...are you seriously just coming out and saying that you don't think there's anything wrong with a president using unconstitutional actions, or even constitutional actions, of the government with the explicite purpose of damaging political opponents? O.o Like, for instance, Nixon and watergate...a-okay?
    Of course it's wrong to use unconstitutional actions against the people, and YES, that includes spying on calls, just like I stated in my post.

    However, if it were possible to strictly limit the scope of the spying to strictly politicians, the military, etc. (which, unfortunately, has yet to be demonstrated), then it would not be a violation of the Constitution because the people would still have their 4th Amendment right protected.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I'm talking specifically about general warrantless wiretapping. That can of worms was opened during the Bush era... in the name of protecting against terrorists.
    Yeah, but that was going in the opposite direction. Basically, if the suicide-bomber-facilitator in Quetta made a sudden phone call to New York, we didn't stop collecting just because the other end of the line was in New York - we waited to see who was getting called by suicide-bomber-facilitators from Pakistan.

    This seems more like collecting every single American phone records, and sifting through them to see who's been naughty or nice.

    It's the difference between a policeman having probable cause, and searching you just to see if anything turns up.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    IN all honestly, despite this being a blatant violation of the Constitution (supported, obviously by every right wing tard in Congress), I doubt Obama is the kind of dude to use the data for malicious purposes or even hunt down terrorists.

    For starters, any terrorist worth his salt wouldn't be stupid enough to talk over a cell phone.

    I believe that O is simply trying to play Chicago-style politics, i. e. dig up compromising info on his political opponents and/or their corporate sponsors and then threaten to use it against them to achieve his political goals.

    IMHO, federal politicians are not entitled to Constitutional protections. The Constitution applies only to the people.
    You had me at right wing tard.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    The reporter who broke the story (Glenn Greenwald) is about to give (first?) radio interview on this story.

    You can listen at:
    http://www.wnyc.org/popup_player/#

    (Eric Holder will also likely be in on the call, although silent, and from an undisclosed location)

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    You dont seem too concerned. We're you outraged when Bush did it?
    This is me when I think about the Bush government approved spying on it's citizens:

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    This is me when I think about the Obama government approved spying on it's citizens:

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    Is that enough or do you want tears too?
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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