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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    why can't nsa name a single case successfully worked by prism and/or boundless?

    Because they all involve killing tax exempt applications with the IRS.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Yeah, I remember many bring this up when Bush went wild with spying. How did Bush supporters answer back then?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yeah, I remember many bring this up when Bush went wild with spying. How did Bush supporters answer back then?
    How should I know - I was NEVER a GWB supporter.


    And your point has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with Obama's actions.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    We didn't forget. We never knew. These are SECRET warrants. The NSA denied, under oath, that they were doing this.
    But there were warrants issued legally do you agree...secret or otherwise? Therefore, you can't say that the NSA broke the law just because the public wasn't aware that the surveillence program was in affect. This is different from the WARRANTLESS wiretaps of Nixon or the WARRANTLESS cellphone surveillences of GWB.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    a "violation of the basic civil liberties of the american people"

    an "abuse of power"

    Barack Obama Statement on FISA | Firedoglake

    outrageous
    He wasn't referring to using a legal survellience program to catch terrorist. He was referring to immunity being granted under FISA law.

    Perhaps you should go back and re-read the linked article in the OP.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    How should I know - I was NEVER a GWB supporter.


    And your point has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with Obama's actions.
    But it does. This isn't new. Not at all.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    How should I know - I was NEVER a GWB supporter.


    And your point has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with Obama's actions.
    Yes, actually, it does.

    It's a little thing called precedent.

    The road to abuse of the 4th amendment was opened and made a four lane highway during the Bush years. It became one of the central partisan divides during that time. Anyone so much as hinting at a warning that these laws, as history has shown since the beginning of time, will be used eventually to infringe the rights of citizens, was branded a nut, crank, and believe it or not, anti-american... If we didn't hold the congress and administration accountable then, we would lose any hope of challenging any future administration allowing further abuses.

    HISTORY MATTERS!

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    Yes, actually, it does.

    It's a little thing called precedent.

    The road to abuse of the 4th amendment was opened and made a four lane highway during the Bush years. It became one of the central partisan divides during that time. Anyone so much as hinting at a warning that these laws, as history has shown since the beginning of time, will be used eventually to infringe the rights of citizens, was branded a nut, crank, and believe it or not, anti-american... If we didn't hold the congress and administration accountable then, we would lose any hope of challenging any future administration allowing further abuses.

    HISTORY MATTERS!
    Do G.W. Bush's actions excuse in any way what Obama does of his own free will?

    Yes or no, please?

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But it does. This isn't new. Not at all.
    Do G.W. Bush's actions excuse in any way what Obama does of his own free will?

    Yes or no, please?

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