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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

    There's a good answer
    absolutely

    "no"

    why did the fisa judge rule in an 86 page report that nsa activities are "unreasonable under the 4th amendment?"

    add larry klayman's class action to the aclu's suit filed tuesday in the southern district of ny

    Nine Companies Tied to PRISM, Obama Will Be Smacked With Class-Action Lawsuit Wednesday - US News and World Report

    stay tuned

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

    Very paranoid, and it ignores that the NSA needs a federal judge to look at the metadata anyway.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Very paranoid, and it ignores that the NSA needs a federal judge to look at the metadata anyway.

    Since the question at hand is whether the NSA has constitutional authority to even collect the meta data it seems a weak defense to say that there are legal barriers to accessing the data that they have gathered. They've already crashed through a few barriers in the process of gathering the data.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

    Remember, this is just the tip. Theres more to come.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Since the question at hand is whether the NSA has constitutional authority to even collect the meta data it seems a weak defense to say that there are legal barriers to accessing the data that they have gathered. They've already crashed through a few barriers in the process of gathering the data.
    It would appear that federal judges disagree, wouldn't it?

    That's kinda the funny part about all this: people don't just have reservations, they're INSISTING that these operations are illegal. Like INSISTING. Yet it seems real legal minds minds disagree. Hmmm.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    It would appear that federal judges disagree, wouldn't it?

    If judges were infallible there would be no need for a Supreme Court... and if the Supreme Court were infallible there would be no need to overturn legal precedence.


    That's kinda the funny part about all this: people don't just have reservations, they're INSISTING that these operations are illegal. Like INSISTING. Yet it seems real legal minds minds disagree. Hmmm.

    Do you make it a habit of agreeing with all legal rulings? What are your views on the "Citizens United" ruling?

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    If judges were infallible there would be no need for a Supreme Court... and if the Supreme Court were infallible there would be no need to overturn legal precedence.
    Ah, so it could potentially be found illegal later? Quite different from your original phrasing.

    Do you make it a habit of agreeing with all legal rulings? What are your views on the "Citizens United" ruling?
    I usually do, as I have no law degree myself. I agree with Citizens United.
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