Page 55 of 66 FirstFirst ... 545535455565765 ... LastLast
Results 541 to 550 of 659

Thread: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

  1. #541
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    05-16-15 @ 02:32 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,537

    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    I'm just correct
    LOL!

    that's what darth cheney said

    obama's a neocon

  2. #542
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    05-16-15 @ 02:32 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,537

    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    reaction from the eu:

    Officials in European capitals demanded immediate answers from their US counterparts and denounced the practice of secretly gathering digital information on Europeans as unacceptable, illegal and a serious violation of basic rights.

    In Europe, the German chancellor Angela Merkel indicated she would press Obama on the revelations at a Berlin summit next week, while deputy European Commission chief Viviane Reding said she would press US officials in Dublin on Friday, adding that "a clear legal framework for the protection of personal data is not a luxury or constraint but a fundamental right".

    Peter Schaar, Germany's federal data protection commissioner told the Guardian that it was unacceptable that US authorities have access to the data of European citizens "and the level of protection is lower than what is guaranteed for US citizens." His Italian counterpart, Antonello Soro, said that the data dragnet "would not be legal in Italy" and would be "contrary to the principles of our legislation and would represent a very serious violation".

    In London, the British foreign secretary William Hague was forced to defend the UK's use of intelligence gathered by the US. In the House of Commons, Hague told MPs that British laws did not allow for "indiscriminate trawling" for information. "There is no danger of a deep state out of control in some way," he said.

    But Hague was reluctant to go into detail on how Britain handled information offered by US intelligence agencies, as opposed to information requested, or whether it was subject to the same ministerial oversight, including warrants.
    the polls:


    The first polls since the leak stories first broke indicated that the majority of Americans oppose the government scooping up their phone data. According to the Rasmussen poll just 26% of voters are in favour of the government's collection of data from Verizon while 59% are opposed. In total 46% of Americans think that their own data has been monitored. But a poll by the Pew Research Center, asking a more general question, said 56% respondents approved of the NSA surveillance program.
    the least untruthful response:

    Pressure was growing on the White House to explain whether there was effective congressional oversight of the programmes revealed by Snowden. The director of national intelligence, James Clapper, said in an NBC interview that he had responded in the "least untruthful manner" possible when he denied in congressional hearings last year that the NSA collected data on millions of Americans.
    NSA snooping: Obama under pressure as senator denounces 'act of treason' | World news | The Guardian

  3. #543
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Last Seen
    10-20-13 @ 04:50 AM
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    3,195

    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yea roll your eyes because you don't have a response

    Just proves my point

  4. #544
    Sage

    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Last Seen
    08-25-17 @ 02:13 AM
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    7,127

    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    What is your point?

    If you have one.
    Doesn't mean that person is widely accepted. That is all.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

  5. #545
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    05-16-15 @ 02:32 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,537

    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    hardly a neocon, the elite natl journal's ron fournier offers as premise: "at a time when americans have little faith in us political and media institutions, it's not sufficient to say trust us"

    The Dirty Secrets of Washington Elites - NationalJournal.com

    "secrecy sows doubt and paranoia"

    "surely it's possible to start an open and honest conversation about drone warfare, domestic surveillance, and big data in general terms that don't expose cherished sources and methods"

    how does fournier know?

    "it's done all the time"

    bush sold "bad" intelligence to get us into iraq, obama outed the seals who got ubl (defense secty robt gates said stfu), the admin sourced the kill list, the stuxnet virus, the underwear bomber...

    Obama only goes after leaks that don't benefit him - CBS News

    "it's done all the time, usually when transparency suits the white house's political agenda"

    and there's "the orwellian habit: virtually every unauthorized leak, including the most recent ones about the prying eyes and ears at the nsa, is followed by the release of classified information (an authorized leak) that supports the administration's case against leaks"

    fournier, career dc bureau chief for ap and regular msnbc contributor, concludes:

    The Bush administration, Obama said in 2007, "puts forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish and the security we demand."

    Telling Americans they need to be treated like mushrooms (kept in the dark and fed BS) or exposed to greater threats is Obama's false choice. The president and his fellow Washington elites need to start treating Americans like grown-ups.
    are YOU a mushroom?

  6. #546
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    05-16-15 @ 02:32 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,537

    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    wapo (karen tumulty) this morning:

    Surveillance, IRS, media controversies fuel angst on left and right - The Washington Post

    A late-spring storm of Washington controversies has created a rare event in these partisan, polarized times: a shared I-told-you-so moment for the left and the right.

    For anyone worried about the potential for government overreach, the past few weeks have brought more cause for concern.

    The Internal Revenue Service targeting conservative groups for special scrutiny. The Justice Department subpoenaing the records of media organizations in a search-and-destroy mission against their sources of information. The National Security Agency sweeping up phone records and secretly tapping into the Internet services that have become the nervous system of 21st-century life.

    All raise questions that go beyond the ideological differences over the size and cost of government that have come to define the Democratic and Republican parties.

    That explains why the newly revealed leaker of classified information about government surveillance, 29-year-old tech specialist Edward Snowden, has been hailed as a “hero” by figures as diverse as conservative commentator Glenn Beck, liberal filmmaker Michael Moore and Daniel Ellsberg of Pentagon Papers fame.

    And the scandals — or pseudo-scandals, depending on one’s point of view — land at a time when polls show the public’s trust in the federal government is at or near all-time lows.

    “All of those things fit together as almost a patchwork quilt of too much, too far and too intrusive,” Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart said. “It’s not bringing people together. It’s uniting in outrage.”
    it's thru the looking glass, says the post

    david corn (of 47% fame) called it kafka

    constitutional law prof obama in 2008 railed against violations of the constitution, abuse of power, betrayals of civil liberties

    but that was before he "matured" and "expanded exponentially" the executive's powers to search

    so leahy of vermont and lee of utah are suddenly and eagerly working together

    obama wanted bipartisanship...

    dick durbin, citing rand paul, says "libertarians meet the left"

    only united in opposition to what obama is doing

    tumulty recalls paul's filibuster to stop holder from:

    Eric Holder: Drone Strike To Kill U.S. Citizen On American Soil Legal - HuffPo

    who needs a warrant? especially when you're the most transparent president of all time?

    the kill list paul protested was one of those stragetic leaks to the nytimes that came FROM white house staff

    paul's 13 hour speech elicited a million tweets, half with the hash tag "standwithrand"

    uber lib ron wyden is one of paul's most privileged pals

    tumulty cites a cnn poll conducted after boston: 61% are more concerned about civil liberties than 31% who lean towards security

    durbin, the whip, is surprised

    “the poll was done after boston, when you would have thought that would have colored the answer, and it didn’t"

    grover norquist (ugh) sees a coalition: the aggrieved now include tea party activists who believe they were unfairly singled out by the irs, liberals who expected obama to exercise more restraint, and the news media fearful of a chilling effect on the flow of vital information

    “it’s easier for both teams to say those are powers no one should have,” goes grover, "it gored the right, it gored the left, and it gored the judge---the press”

  7. #547
    Sage


    Thoreau72's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:41 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    20,276

    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by ProNos View Post
    The "everybody" makes no difference. None. Each case would fall under the same decision. You (everyone) have "no reasonable expectation of privacy" under the 4th admendment over access to numbers you dial. The content of the conversations is protected by the 4th admendment and should be. But not the number to number information. So I'm just correct.
    Yes, you're correct, but the comparison between the Smith case, one with probable cause involved, and just a general all inclusive fishing expedition with no probable cause whatsoever, is rather apples and oranges.

  8. #548
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    05-16-15 @ 02:32 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,537

    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    cnn today:

    Second term mostly drama for Obama - CNN.com

    Less than five months in, Obama and his administration appear knocked off balance by a barrage of controversies and criticisms exacerbating the bitter political battles that marked his first four years in office.

    He's under fire from the right and left, accused by some of conspiratorial machinations to grab even more power than the leader of the free world legally holds.

    Headlines are dominated by scandals such as the Internal Revenue Service targeting of conservative groups and classified leaks that disclosed details of the vast data mining and surveillance apparatus created after the 2001 terrorist attacks.

    Meanwhile, Republicans and some Democrats say his attorney general should resign over various issues including secret subpoenas of journalist phone records.

    Even the first lady got heckled -- at a Democratic fundraiser, no less. While the issue was gay rights, the incident showed how Obama supporters also were frustrated by what they consider to be a lack of sufficient progress on progressive issues they expect the president to champion.

    To columnist and CNN contributor John Avlon, the latest Washington scandals "have put the president off balance," with the administration on defense instead of driving the agenda.

    "The choice will be in how the administration tries to deal with it," Avlon said. "If it's in denial and acts like these events are occurring outside its purview or control, that will be a big problem."

    "This is a president now who's dealing with issues he never thought he was going to have to deal with," [CNN senior analyst Gloria] Borger said Monday, referring to drone strikes, government surveillance and classified leaks.

    Avlon and Borger agreed that Obama must be proactive in dealing with the newly revealed details about how the government has access to phone records and Internet activity as tools in fighting terrorism.
    instead, according to cnn, the president is telling us to "trust him"

    "no one is listening to your phone calls"

    however, when bush did less, the president platformed against this "false choice"

    "you can't have 100% security and 100% privacy," he says today

    nsa activities are merely "minor encroachments"

    cnn chief national correspondent john king: "if the president doesn't try to get ahead of it, guess what, he'll get dragged along with it"

    all of the above complicate immigration reform, continues cnn

    and syria

    (as well as anything else the president contemplates, like guns, gay marriage, tax reform...)

    when's the last time he griped about sequester, whatever happened to green investment?

    and then there's the trouble at foggy bottom (the state dept), which has been rocked by cbs' scoop saying inspector general aurelia fedenisn found 8 crimes committed by state employees (including the belgian ambassador's soliciting minors for sex) which were COVERED UP by the heavy hitters on the top floor of the building

    as well as the doj, where eric holder told congress on may 15 that he was not aware of even "potential" prosecution of press participants

    huffpo, wapo and the natl journal have all called for the ignorant (according to holder) ag to resign

    it all comes down to trust

    as in, few anymore have any in this white house

    the nyt editorialized after the nsa broke, "obama has lost all credibility"

    this aint watergate, the ex sycophants at cnn conclude

    but remember john avlon's warning at the top: "if the administration is in denial and acts like these events are occurring outside its purview or control, that will be a big problem"

    obama's matured, but has he come clean?

    stay tuned

  9. #549
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    05-16-15 @ 02:32 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,537

    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    wapo factchecker (glenn kessler) says obama is pinocchio

    Obama's claim that every member of Congress was briefed on telephone surveillance - The Washington Post

    minnesota rep keith ellison (the only muslim on capitol hill) says he knew "almost nothing" about prism

    senator merkley, too

    obama has matured, but has he come clean?

  10. #550
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    05-16-15 @ 02:32 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,537

    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    cnn's borger, king and john avlon recommend, "get out there, get out front"

    he can't and won't

    As Edward Snowden speaks out, President Obama goes silent - POLITICO.com

    can't: ongoing investigation, even prosecution

    won't: snowden does a much better civil libertarian than does the most transparent president of all time

    stay tuned

Page 55 of 66 FirstFirst ... 545535455565765 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •