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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I dont think there are many people against targeted surveillance in the course of an investigation, which was the intent of these laws. Its the secrecy and widespread survielliance thats the problem. But I guess some people are OK with the govt deciding what neccesary.
    Depends on the target. If it's everybody, then we have a big problem, and that's what it looks like now. I don't think we know enough yet to make an informed decision. I do think the road to a police state is littered with "inconveniences" that grow as we become accustomed to them. I can well imagine in the final stages hearing the storm troopers saying, "We had to execute your son. Sorry for the inconvenience."

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Well, I suppose theres bound to be someone who supports a police state.
    Depending upon how the term is defined, MANY people support a police state.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I dont think there are many people against targeted surveillance in the course of an investigation, which was the intent of these laws. Its the secrecy and widespread survielliance thats the problem. But I guess some people are OK with the govt deciding what neccesary.
    Yes, and most generally they are the same people that think that those whom have attained success and wealth through their own hard work, and savvy don't deserve it, and should just give it to someone whom has done nothing to earn it.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    A bipartisan group of senators are pushing legislation that would force the government to reveal the secret court opinions authorizing the National Security Agency’s domestic surveillance programs.

    “Americans deserve to know how much information about their private communications the government believes it’s allowed to take under the law,” said Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), who is spearheading the effort alongside Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), in a statement.


    Read more: Senators push bill to declassify secret FISA surveillance rulings - The Hill's DEFCON Hill
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    So long as it doesnt reveal methods to our enemies, this seems like a reasonable thing to do. Since congress and the courts wont do their job of stopping govt from abusing the power it has, the people need to at least be able to know whats going on so they can do something about it during elections.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    From the New York Times Editiorial Board:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/07/op...gnet.html?_r=0

    It doesn't get more scathing than this from an Obamabot media outlet.

    Within hours of the disclosure that federal authorities routinely collect data on phone calls Americans make, regardless of whether they have any bearing on a counterterrorism investigation, the Obama administration issued the same platitude it has offered every time President Obama has been caught overreaching in the use of his powers: Terrorists are a real menace and you should just trust us to deal with them because we have internal mechanisms (that we are not going to tell you about) to make sure we do not violate your rights.

    Those reassurances have never been persuasive — whether on secret warrants to scoop up a news agency’s phone records or secret orders to kill an American suspected of terrorism — especially coming from a president who once promised transparency and accountability.

    The administration has now lost all credibility on this issue. Mr. Obama is proving the truism that the executive branch will use any power it is given and very likely abuse it. That is one reason we have long argued that the Patriot Act, enacted in the heat of fear after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks by members of Congress who mostly had not even read it, was reckless in its assignment of unnecessary and overbroad surveillance powers.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Politics...its just so frickin aesome!!!


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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Which was exactly what the Cons were planning till they got blown away in an
    election their handlers were telling them was a slam dunk......................
    Slam dunk....LOL !!

    Yea we're paying for your slam dunk allright.

    Massive corruption, massive new structural debt and a economy held up solely by TRILLIONS in Printing.

    Lol...yea you showed us...

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

    he said the same in an interview last nite on msnbc with lawrence odonnell

    The journalist who exposed classified U.S. surveillance programs leaked by an American defense contractor said Tuesday that there will be more 'significant revelations' to come from the documents.

    "We are going to have a lot more significant revelations that have not yet been heard over the next several weeks and months," said Glenn Greenwald of The Guardian.

    Greenwald told The Associated Press the decision was being made on when to release the next story based on the information provided by Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old employee of government contractor Booz Allen Hamilton who has been accused by U.S. Senate intelligence chairwoman Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California of committing an "act of treason" that should be prosecuted.

    "There are dozens of stories generated by the documents he provided, and we intend to pursue every last one of them," Greenwald said.
    Journalist in US surveillance case: More to come - Associated Press

    stay tuned

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Technically you are correct, but the difference between the Smith case and Prism is that the latter includes EVERYBODY with a phone or other device. Big difference, I say.
    The "everybody" makes no difference. None. Each case would fall under the same decision. You (everyone) have "no reasonable expectation of privacy" under the 4th admendment over access to numbers you dial. The content of the conversations is protected by the 4th admendment and should be. But not the number to number information. So I'm just correct.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Well, I suppose theres bound to be someone who supports a police state.
    Well, and I suppose there's bound to be somebody who supports the Corporatocracy.
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