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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

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    Here's my spin: When congress gave the administration permission to do this, they threw the United States Constitution in the trash can.

    Any member of congress who voted 'yes' on this un- constitutional activity should be impeached.

    But that's not going to happen.

    The Supreme Court might eventually rule that this is un-constitutional.

    But the Court has no real ability to enforce it's rulings, it has no military or police force.

    My guess is that this unconstitutional spying will continue.

    And a lot of people who place a low value on liberty will say that it's OK because it makes us safer.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

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    Without Lincoln there would be no U.S. Grant. So I blame Lincoln.






    Without America's voters, Lincoln would never have been in the White House.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

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    Without America's voters, Lincoln would never have been in the White House.
    You mean the 40% who voted for him. All he needed to win was 6 states in the North and he did so.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    You mean the 40% who voted for him. All he needed to win was 6 states in the North and he did so.





    What is your point?

    If you have one.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by ProNos View Post
    Yes. And it's not just "Obama" doing this. ALL three branches of our government are involved in this program. I support it. I'm not willing to give into the paranoia. We have ZERO evidence that this program has inconvenienced 1 American. Not 1. We need a way to balance our security with our values. This program certainly within that balance.

    This guy Snowden should be vigorously pursued by the FBI and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I suspect that is under way. The real crime here is the fact that a "contractor" was making $200,000 on the American tax payer. That's the real issue. The privatization of government power is a much bigger concern than data mining. We have too many contractors--a Republican lead project naturally--involved in government affairs. We need to get back to a government power being within the hands of sworn government employees not private companies.
    Well, I suppose theres bound to be someone who supports a police state.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Well, I suppose theres bound to be someone who supports a police state.
    Yes, and heaven forfend that any American should be "inconvenienced" with an unwarranted intrusion into their private affairs. You gotta love that choice of words.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

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    What about him?

    Stop playing the Republican/Democrat game. That doesn't interest me.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Yes, and heaven forfend that any American should be "inconvenienced" with an unwarranted intrusion into their private affairs. You gotta love that choice of words.
    I dont think there are many people against targeted surveillance in the course of an investigation, which was the intent of these laws. Its the secrecy and widespread survielliance thats the problem. But I guess some people are OK with the govt deciding what neccesary.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by ProNos View Post
    Yeah, and if you're doing nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about. As for the 4th Amendment and this situation, you are absolutely wrong. The government CAN track WHO you call/dial if they need to WITHOUT a warrant. SCOTUS has already ruled on that.

    In Smith v. Maryland , the Supreme Court held that there’s no reasonable expectation of privacy, and thus no Fourth Amendment protection, for the phone numbers people dial (as distinct from the content of the call), because the number dialed is information you voluntarily share with the phone company to complete the call and for billing purposes.
    Technically you are correct, but the difference between the Smith case and Prism is that the latter includes EVERYBODY with a phone or other device. Big difference, I say.

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