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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    But that's not all they're recording. More importantly is that you come across as a civil rights hater. What's up with that?
    First, No, that is all they're recording. Second, a "civil rights hater."??? And who enforces civil rights law? Who protects the civil rights of citizens? Who prosecutes people who violate the civil rights of people?? The government IS THE PEOPLE! That's what our constitution sets out - A government "of the people, by the people, and for the people." I actually suspect the anti-government type to be more of a civil rights hater. These types despise government because the government steps in to protect the rights of minorities.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Trying to blame Bush for Obama's fascism is pathetic and desperatel


    Anyone defending Obama and still blame Bush here is defending Obama vastly expanding this program to create a domestic police state. The Government doesn't have a right to do this. Period. The problem is both Bush and Obama. They stand for Big Government. This is what happens when you hand your power over to Big Government. The people in charge abuse their power. It's just human nature. The founders understood this which is why The Constitution is not a document that grants rights. It's a document that limits the power of Government.

    If you're blaming Bush you are part of the problem. Not the solution.
    Right again Bronson. They defend it and then point to Bush's creation of the Patriot Act as a violation of our civil liberties.

    Hell, I was on Political forums throughout his Presidency. The Libs wanted him in jail over the Patriot Act.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Or, better yet, that was how Conservatives
    sold America on the Patriot Act........................
    Lol...another misinformed or just full on uninformed Lib throws down the Nazi Gauntlet to describe Conservatives.

    I bet your total amount of knowledge on the Fourth Reich could fit on the back of a bussiness card.....in crayon.

    It would go something like this .." the nazis wer bad "...

    But nevermind, your the poster that said Tea Partiers should have been rounded up. Or were lucky there weren't rounded up.

    Maybe you DO know a little more about the Nazi's than I thought you did.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Show me. I know I never said that.
    I remember the holier than thou selfpredicting themselves to hold the presidency for the next 50 years Conservatives pooh-poohing any criticism of the Patriot Act with just those sentiments................Unfortunately for Conservatives, humans have this thing called a memory.........................

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily [W:452]

    What promise can you or anyone make that the information gathered by the NSA will only be used for national security? Its a promise no one can make. Thats the problem, with the recent history of this administration using the powers of the government to silence opposing voices. who can make me a promise that this administration wont use the information gathered by the NSA to do the same?

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That is what the Nazis said.
    Proven wrong about the law you resort to a purely ad hominem attack. I'll take that as an admission you lost the argument. Stay out of trouble.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by ProNos View Post
    First, No, that is all they're recording. Second, a "civil rights hater."??? And who enforces civil rights law? Who protects the civil rights of citizens? Who prosecutes people who violate the civil rights of people?? The government IS THE PEOPLE! That's what our constitution sets out - A government "of the people, by the people, and for the people." I actually suspect the anti-government type to be more of a civil rights hater. These types despise government because the government steps in to protect the rights of minorities.
    At least one person with intimate knowledge disagrees with you.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    I remember the holier than thou selfpredicting themselves to hold the presidency for the next 50 years Conservatives pooh-poohing any criticism of the Patriot Act with just those sentiments................Unfortunately for Conservatives, humans have this thing called a memory.........................
    Then show us. It's been explained here several times under what conditions it was deemed acceptable to wiretap through the FISA court.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Or, better yet, that was how Conservatives sold America on the Patriot Act........................
    this administration has more in common with Nazi Germany then any other administration

    study how Hitler came to and stayed in power and the tactics he used to do so the similarities are uncanny

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by ProNos View Post
    First, No, that is all they're recording. Second, a "civil rights hater."??? And who enforces civil rights law? Who protects the civil rights of citizens? Who prosecutes people who violate the civil rights of people?? The government IS THE PEOPLE! That's what our constitution sets out - A government "of the people, by the people, and for the people." I actually suspect the anti-government type to be more of a civil rights hater. These types despise government because the government steps in to protect the rights of minorities.
    It looks to me like the govt is protecting any rights in this case, and you support it.
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