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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    The link is screed. I just don't care for labels. They don't apply to a truly thinking person. Most honest people are issue orientated...except radicals on the right and left. I have no loyalties to a party or ideology. I suspect you do. Good luck with that.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Congratulations, you base your hatred of progressives on a strawman.
    No, on their own history.....
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    NSA thanks for pointing out the typo
    He's probably using the NSA to get the NRA.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, on their own history.....
    Do you consider anything less than exploitation as "radical egalitarianism"?

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    If you are a progressive, and think that is something to be proud of, then why didn't you choose that as your lean? As for progressivism, Tom Baron has a pretty good opinion piece that I agree with on the subject, here....

    "The core of progressivism is radical egalitarianism, a utopian, immature, idealistic, and impractical version of equality popularized today as "fairness." It is the Liberal/Progressive's most highly regarded ideal above all others. Quite possibly, among many of this group, it is their only ideal and it is often pursued with a religious-like zeal.
    It's the product of a primitive part of the human psyche -- the collectivist way in which groups organized themselves when humans existed primarily in small bands or tribes. Psychology studies have documented the immature sense of equality or fairness that is operational in 4 year olds, where rewards of treats are given for completing certain tasks. When subjects were given the authority to change the amounts of the rewards obtained, the preschoolers invariably redistributed them in equal amounts regardless of the number of tasks completed by the individual subjects who earned the rewards.
    This immature sense of equality or fairness also has a visceral appeal to many adults as well, especially those dictated primarily by emotion and "feelings" rather than by reason. For example, we've all seen interviews with ultraliberal celebrities who emphatically say in justification of their radical egalitarian opinions; "All people are created equal! It says so in our Declaration of Independence!" (Which they disingenuously quote only when convenient for their point of view.) However, people are obviously not equal. If they bothered to carefully read our founding documents and the writings of the men who created them, people are created equal in one respect only -- they are endowed equally with inalienable rights and must be treated equally under the rule of law in the protection of these rights.
    Our founders were learned men who understood that as societies grew and evolved, humans found that a collectivist, egalitarian organization wasn't a feasible way to sustain larger, diverse populations. Because people are different in almost every way, those of differing talents, intellect, physical strength, desires, levels of motivation, and biology (male/female,) gravitated to certain tasks. The division of labor, a critical evolutionary leap forward, spontaneously developed, enabling larger, more complex, and more efficient and prosperous societies to develop.
    Furthermore, differences in remuneration in these advanced orders of civilization will be as infinitely variable as the differences in people and the tasks that they perform. Some will be more capable or better suited to do certain things than others. Some will be more industrious than others. Some will be more successful than others. As a result, some will have "more" than others. Some will even have quite a bit more than others. This is neither good nor bad. This is truly the "fairest" distribution method possible in large, complex, specialized societies. Society, or the collective, or more specifically the "market," decides which tasks are highly valued or in greater demand and rewards them commensurately. What could be more democratic than that in serving the best interest of society? People who perform these high-value tasks with the greatest level of proficiency will be rewarded the most of all. This "system" encourages people to do their best. To aspire to greater levels of achievement because they are incentivized to do so by the "collective," or the society, which progresses because of it."


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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    The American Thinker............................Where bad ideas go to die................................
    Attack the source.....Fail.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    The American Thinker............................Where bad ideas go to die................................
    Too bad, that's what everyone that isn't Progressive thinks about your ideology. So you're stuck with it until you change your ideology.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Attack the source.....Fail.
    Just perusing their list of articles nothing surprised me, just the usual Rightie spew about politics, etc., then , boom, a piece about the "fallacious" claim by gay people that they were born that "way"..................I smelled the reeking stench of the JudeoChristian religious agenda......................

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    ALL three branches of our government are involved
    Lawmakers rebut Obama's data defense - POLITICO

    Dem. Senator disputes Obama's claims that Congress was briefed - The Hill

    Lawmakers who knew about PRISM were bound to silence - Philly.com

    US government invokes special privilege to stop scrutiny of data mining | guardian.co.uk

    Justice Department Fights Release of Secret Court Opinion Finding Unconstitutional Surveillance | Mother Jones

    I'm not willing to give into the paranoia
    obama is, he's matured

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid..._maturity.html

    a "contractor" was making $200,000 on the American tax payer. That's the real issue
    LOL!

    obama: "violation of the basic civil liberties of the american people," "abuse of power"

    Barack Obama Statement on FISA | Firedoglake

    us intelligence official (quoted by isikoff): "unreasonable under the 4th amendment"

    odni: "circumvented the spirit of the law"

    fisa court: "reached the same conclusion"

    Officials: NSA mistakenly intercepted emails, phone calls of innocent Americans - NBC
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