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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by ProNos View Post
    I don't see any problem with what the NSA is doing. All the fake outrage over a program that's vetted through 3 branches of government and is an important tool for capturing terrorists BEFORE they kill Americans. This is necessary and shall continue. Liberals can seem out of touch and silly in security matters and Conservatives, of course, are just plain silly regardless. If we continue to act naive about what measures are needed to protect the lives of the innocent then we should be prepared for the consequences. Of course post mortem we complain the government wasn't doing enough. Pathetic.
    How do you know its important or effective? Because govt told you so?

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    As I stated before paraphrasing Bob Barr, the previous presidents policies that make his ceiling become the floor of the next president that he then builds a new higher ceiling. When the legislature cedes power to the executive it is rarely if ever given back. This is what I meant with the Patriot Act. It's Bush's fault for building that fiasco and constructing that new ceiling and it's Obama's fault for agreeing to extend and use it. Especially when he initially ran on opposing it.
    Ok, well Bush isn't President anymore. So what are we going to do about Obama?

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No I am not okay with this, but there is nothing I can do about it and I have lived under this crap for decades.. you get use to it.
    There is absolutely something you can do about it.


    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And let me remind you that it was a corrupt right wing lunatic government and congress that put the whole bloody thing in place in the first place. And there are plenty of right wing lunatic and corrupt judges.
    It's been put on steroids and then some. I can give examples of corrupt left wing judges including the loser that just ok'ed a warrant for a reporter. Can you cite examples or is the extent of your proof of "right wing corrupt judges " in your post only ?



    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    We knew it was around back then.. but the average American were too afraid and patriotic to notice. It amazes me that Americans accept GITMO and rendition and dont expect that your government does other similar things against everyone... oh yea they only do it to non-Americans bla bla .. bull****.
    When the stupidest of our electorate put in power a bunch of left wing ideologue activist they took the wire tapping and invasion of privacy to new heights and it had very little to do with " terrorist" or even foreigners.


    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    It is not criminal.. it is in fact legal thanks to the right and its patriot act.
    Specific targeting of Americans reaching out to terrorist groups I can accept, a massive dragnet I cannot. Again, I'm not a Obama supporter, and therefore don't believe for a second this NSA action has anything top do with stopping terrorist acts. From the already exposed use of the IRS to specifically target Americans the use of the dragnet under Obama is to target Americans.

    Remember Napolitano's inter agency warnings of returning Soldiers and their likely terrorist activities ?



    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The only corrupt ideology is one that says it defends freedom and pushes through an act like the Patriot act.. the name alone shows a disgusting fascist angel of the GOP.
    I think the criticism of the Patriot act is warranted, but the defense of a Hypocritical President who has increased the scope of the patriot act exponentially and has used it to target American citizens is not.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    So youre ok with Obama doing this?
    Don't care. I gave up on privacy under Herr Bush and Chancellor Cheney.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Ok, well Bush isn't President anymore. So what are we going to do about Obama?
    lol... right.

    Well I don't know about you but he definitely won't be getting my vote in 2016. Why? What is it you'd suggest now that you've decided to have 100% of your blame focus on him?
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    How do you know its important or effective? Because govt told you so?
    The government doesn't need to tell us it's effective for a reasonable person to know it absolutely is. If you're trying to track down who, what, when, where and how then logically speaking these types of records are absolutely imperative. I don't need the government to tell me that's a good program. I know it is. The point of the program is to track calls headed into the U.S. from foreign nations. We need to know where and who these calls went to and from. This program is lawful and needed. In this case, we have the Congressional leadership briefed on the program and the FISA courts reviewing AND approving the warrant. We have legislative and judicial review of an executive program. On top of that, we cannot name one person, not one, out of hundreds of millions of Americans who've been the least inconvenienced or suffered some type of prosecution as a result of this program. Calls are not recorded anyway. The only thing the NSA is getting is the number to number data. At best most of the criticisms seem based on paranoia not on solid facts taken from the program.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    congressional oversight:

    “I can assure you the phone number tracking of non-criminal, non-terrorist suspects was not discussed [at the administration's classified briefings],” said [Congressman Aaron] Schock. “Most members have stopped going to their classified briefings because they rarely tell us anything we don’t already know in the news. It really has become a charade.”
    Lawmakers rebut Obama's data defense - Reid J. Epstein - POLITICO.com

    "By the way,” [Senator Jeff] Merkley continued. “When I sought information [on the phone surveillance program], the only information I got was that, yes there is a program sweeping up broad amounts of data through the records act. This second thing, which we just learned about, called PRISM, I had no idea about.”
    Dem. Senator disputes Obama's claims that Congress was briefed

    The only lawmakers who knew about PRISM were bound by oaths of office to hold their tongues.
    U.S. is spying on Web servers - Philly.com

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    What was the worry then with the Democrats then when Nixon was in office if they had nothing to hid?

    Then somehow you dont think that this information would ever be used for other puposes other than terrorism especially with this presidents record?

    The man is a serial Liar and with all the scandals out there cannot be trusted, period. He has "Zero" credibility even with the NY Times at this point but somehow you still drone on that this is no big deal.
    Well he's keeping us safe as far as I can see. Boston was a drop in the bucket compared to what it could be, although I'm sure those that lost love ones or family injured don't feel that way.

    There are lies and then things we don't need to know. Why do the American people and press feel they have to know everything but still want us safe?

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by lilly View Post
    Well he's keeping us safe as far as I can see. Boston was a drop in the bucket compared to what it could be, although I'm sure those that lost love ones or family injured don't feel that way.

    There are lies and then things we don't need to know. Why do the American people and press feel they have to know everything but still want us safe?
    There are ways to keep us safe and then there are ways to violate the rights of people. This is a case of the later.

    However, security measures almost always violate the rights of people.

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