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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    lol no



    lol no

    Hundreds of thousands of people, that you don't know.



    Oh, so it's just about what an authority deems legal or illegal? Interesting. That can be pretty fluid.
    The "authority" being the law. Assuming, of course, that one is operating under the rule of law.

    But if by "authority" you mean some elected or appointed official, then not so much. Only if that person is acting in accordance with legal authority.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    The "authority" being the law. Assuming, of course, that one is operating under the rule of law.

    But if by "authority" you mean some elected or appointed official, then not so much. Only if that person is acting in accordance with legal authority.
    Laws can change. They can be interpreted in ways you might not like.

    I don't give a **** about laws too much myself, anyway, so it doesn't really matter much to me. But they're not monolithic things.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Laws can change. They can be interpreted in ways you might not like.

    I don't give a **** about laws too much myself, anyway, so it doesn't really matter much to me. But they're not monolithic things.
    Thanks for the candid admission that you don't care about the rule of law. Certainly a modern view.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Sure, no problem. Thank you, too, for dodging the obvious.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    the obvious
    what on the campaign trail in 08 was a "violation of the basic civil liberties of the american people" and an "abuse of power" is last friday in sunny san jose a "modest encroachment on privacy"

    Obama On NSA Program: "Modest Encroachments On Privacy Are Involved" | RealClearPolitics

    he's matured

    Obama: Surveillance Debate A "Sign of Maturity" That Wouldn't Have Happend 5-6 Years Ago | RealClearPolitics

    obama's a punk, he has no credibility

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    lol why are you talking about obama hahahahahha
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    what on the campaign trail in 08 was a "violation of the basic civil liberties of the american people" and an "abuse of power" is last friday in sunny san jose a "modest encroachment on privacy"

    Obama On NSA Program: "Modest Encroachments On Privacy Are Involved" | RealClearPolitics

    he's matured

    Obama: Surveillance Debate A "Sign of Maturity" That Wouldn't Have Happend 5-6 Years Ago | RealClearPolitics

    obama's a punk, he has no credibility
    The President is required to use all methods at his disposal to protect us from attack. If he decided not to use this surveillance and we were attacked who would be to blame?

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    The President is required to use all methods
    obama: "violation of the basic civil liberties of the american people"

    us intel (quoted by isikoff): "unreasonable under the 4th amendment"

    odni: "circumvented the spirit of the law"

    fisa court: "reached the same conclusion"

    Barack Obama Statement on FISA | Firedoglake

    Officials: NSA intercepted emails, phone calls of innocent Americans - NBC

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Bull!

    This has been going on since 9/11 and the right has supported it by overwhelming margins.
    Which has what to do with Americans being privy to the data mining going on in this topic? They weren't.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Thank god the sky didn't fall between now and then. Although I guess it will now, because now the unwashed masses are aware of....well, something bad. Hard to say what, it's just "bad".
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