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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    roger simon's professional leftists and journolisters, last nite:

    President Barack Obama’s chief defense of his administration’s wide-ranging data-gathering programs Friday: Congress authorized them, with “every member” well aware of the details.

    Not so, say many members of Congress — Democrats and Republicans alike.


    Typically, members of Congress “don’t receive this kind of briefing,” Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) told POLITICO Friday. They wouldn’t have known about the programs unless they were on an intelligence committee, attended special sessions last held in 2011 or specifically asked to be briefed – something they would only know to do if they were clued in by an colleague who was already aware.

    Durbin said he learned about the two programs himself only after requesting a briefing under “classified circumstances” after being urged to do so by Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.).

    Congressional leadership and intelligence committees had access to information about the programs, he said — but the “average member” of Congress likely wouldn’t have been aware of the breadth of the telephone and Internet surveillance.

    There’s no public record of who has attended any of these sessions — and even the Obama administration couldn’t confirm the president’s claim that “every member of Congress” had been briefed.

    The White House declined to comment for this story.

    And Rep. Aaron Schock (R-Ill.) told POLITICO that the classified intelligence briefing sessions he’s attended haven’t disclosed details on the two data-gathering programs as were unveiled this week.

    Schock, in Congress since 2009, said he had “no idea” about the phone data gathering, or any briefings for House members to discuss it, until news reports this week.

    Like other members who said they learned of the data-gathering efforts when they were revealed in the Guardian and the Washington Post, Schock said the administration classified briefings he’s attended have revealed very little information.

    I can assure you the phone number tracking of non-criminal, non-terrorist suspects was not discussed,” he said. “Most members have stopped going to their classified briefings because they rarely tell us anything we don’t already know in the news. It really has become a charade.”

    President Obama’s explanation allows him to sound a nothing-to-see-here note that paints the programs as both prosaic and innocuous. After all, if all 535 members of Congress knew about them, how bad could they really be?

    “These are the folks you all vote for as your representatives in Congress, and they’re being fully briefed on these programs,” said Obama. “And if, in fact … there were abuses taking place, presumably those members of Congress could raise those issues very aggressively. They’re empowered to do so.”

    But as Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.) complained to Attorney General Eric Holder during a Thursday hearing, the idea that Congress has been “fully briefed” on these programs is coming as news to many of the lawmakers themselves.

    This ‘fully briefed’ is something that drives us up the wall, because often ‘fully briefed’ means a group of eight leadership; it does not necessarily mean relevant committees,” Mikulski said.

    And Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) told MSNBC Friday that he received a briefing only because he “sought it out,” not because the Obama administration had offered it to him.

    “I had to get special permission to find out about the program,” Merkley said. “It raised concerns for me. … When I saw what was being done, I felt it was so out of sync with the plain language of the law and that it merited full public examination, and that’s why I called for the declassification.”
    Lawmakers rebut Obama's data defense - Reid J. Epstein - POLITICO.com

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Has anybody looked at the Drudge headlines today? Staggering.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    The Patriot Act, which authorizes the monitoring, has been around for 12 years and the program itself has actually been around seven months longer than that. It was widely reported on 7 years ago. Interesting that Republicans are suddenly outraged...12 years and 7 months later.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    What was the worry then with the Democrats then when Nixon was in office if they had nothing to hid?

    Then somehow you dont think that this information would ever be used for other puposes other than terrorism especially with this presidents record?

    The man is a serial Liar and with all the scandals out there cannot be trusted, period. He has "Zero" credibility even with the NY Times at this point but somehow you still drone on that this is no big deal.
    Yes but drone would be another story and another topic. I could just hear the outcry from Conservatives if we had an attach on our country of a larger scale, you'd be screaming from the roof tops, 'why didn't he make sure we had more security'

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Republicans are suddenly outraged
    LOL!

    tell it to glenn greenwald

    and ron wyden

    NYT: Obama admin 'has lost all credibility' - POLITICO.com

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    We didn't forget. We never knew. These are SECRET warrants. The NSA denied, under oath, that they were doing this.
    Bull!

    This has been going on since 9/11 and the right has supported it by overwhelming margins.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The order to access metadata from cell phone companiesbwas given somewhere around WWII....ok

    And your seemingly ok with any intrusion as long as a " Judge " offers up a warrant.
    No I am not okay with this, but there is nothing I can do about it and I have lived under this crap for decades.. you get use to it.

    Let me remind you of the many ccorrupt lunatic left wing judges out there who will give the ok on just about any warrant, including the warrant to spy on a reporter and that reporters parents.
    And let me remind you that it was a corrupt right wing lunatic government and congress that put the whole bloody thing in place in the first place. And there are plenty of right wing lunatic and corrupt judges.

    These are the scandals you guys WISH you had on the Republicans from 2000 to 2008....
    We knew it was around back then.. but the average American were too afraid and patriotic to notice. It amazes me that Americans accept GITMO and rendition and dont expect that your government does other similar things against everyone... oh yea they only do it to non-Americans bla bla .. bull****.

    But instead you had to make your scandald up and now defend rampant criminql behaviour.
    It is not criminal.. it is in fact legal thanks to the right and its patriot act.

    Good on you for having such a blatant blind allegiance to a corrupt ideology. Good on you.
    The only corrupt ideology is one that says it defends freedom and pushes through an act like the Patriot act.. the name alone shows a disgusting fascist angel of the GOP.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    right wing lunatic and corrupt judges
    lamberth?

    The new documents show that two judges separately declared that the Justice Department was required to notify Rosen of the search warrant, even if the notification came after a delay. Otherwise: “The subscriber therefore will never know, by being provided a copy of the warrant, for example, that the government secured a warrant and searched the contents of her e-mail account,” Judge John M. Facciola wrote in an opinion rejecting the Obama Administration’s argument.

    [US Attorney Ronald C] Machen appealed that decision, and in September, 2010, Royce C. Lamberth, the chief judge in the Federal District Court for the District of Columbia, granted Machen’s request to overturn the order of the two judges.
    How Prosecutors Fought to Keep Rosen's Warrant Secret : The New Yorker

    judge shopping, anyone?

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Americans accept Gitmo
    yup

    including feinstein, reid, kerry, schumer, wyden, merkley, mccaskill, boxer, ken salazar (obam's interior secty), udall, udall, nelson, nelson, conrad, dorgan, webb, warner, patty murray (dscc), sherrod brown, carper, akaka, bayh, rockefeller, bobby kkk byrd, mikulski, stabenow, baucus, tester, lautenberg, menendez, hagen, feingold (mr integrity)...

    and 20 more from harry reid's roundhouse

    Senate Votes To Block Funds For Guantanamo Closure, 90 to 6 - HuffPo

    exactly why did appropriations chair inouye (one armed war hero) kick down the ignorant ag?

    LOL!

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    I don't see any problem with what the NSA is doing. All the fake outrage over a program that's vetted through 3 branches of government and is an important tool for capturing terrorists BEFORE they kill Americans. This is necessary and shall continue. Liberals can seem out of touch and silly in security matters and Conservatives, of course, are just plain silly regardless. If we continue to act naive about what measures are needed to protect the lives of the innocent then we should be prepared for the consequences. Of course post mortem we complain the government wasn't doing enough. Pathetic.
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