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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    I find it interesting not only how so many people quickly forget how this type of survellience has been going on since 9/11 AND how easily the 9/11 highjackers and terrlorist since have used cell phones to plot their schemes and coordinate their attacks. Moreover, this survellince activity isn't as invasive as the warrantless wiretaps that were originally called for under the Patriot Act.

    You can't have it both ways. You can't ask that the gov't take preventive measures to catch the bad guys where they hide - right under our noses in plain sight using our communications networks against us - then complain when a bombing like what took place at the Boston Marathon happens yet whine that our gov't and local law enforcement didn't do enough to stop it. It just doesn't work like that. So pick a side: civil liberty w/the constant threat of terror at you r doorstep or lose alittle bit of privacy to keep America safe?

    Pick a side. And let's not quote Ben Franklin on the issue of liberty and security. I seriouly doubt he would have invisioned such acts of terrorism happening on US soil.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I find it interesting not only how so many people quickly forget how this type of survellience has been going on since 9/11 but also how easily the 9/11 highjackers and terrlorist since have used cell phones to plot their schemes and coordinate their attacks. Moreover, this survellince activity isn't as invasive as the warrantless wiretaps originally called for under the Patriot Act.

    You can't have it both ways. You can't ask the the gov't take preventive measures to catch the bad guys where they hide - right under our noses in plain sight using our communications networks against use - then complain when a bombing like what took place at the Boston Marathon happens only whine that our gov't and local law enforcement didn't do enough to stop it. It just doesn't work like that. So pick a side: civil liberty w/the constant threat of terror at you r doorstep or alittle bit of privacy to keep America safe?

    Pick a side.
    Civil liberty any day.

    It is impossible to make America 'safe' from terrorism.

    America is about freedom, not cowering in fear - violating Constitutional rights to feel safer. By doing the latter, the terrorists win without firing a shot.

    I believe that I will NEVER support violating the Constitution in the name of 'national security' - unless a declared state-of-war exists with another country(s).

    America with the Conctitution being violated whenever the government wants is America in name only.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    What cracks me up is how so many people get upset about the gov't collecting personal cellphone info even if how they do it now means ALL they collect are numbers not content yet they have no problem answering an online survey for a free iphone or game system giving up their name, email address and other personal info that likely is GIVEN to a 3rd-party vender WITHOUT their knowledge.

    Think it through, folks.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Noble argument but last I checked America IS at war...on terrorism. So until that "war" is declared over I support my gov't doing everything it can to protect the homeland without violating the Constitution. And since no private info is being collected and no conversations are being monitored I don't see the problem.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I did not say he wouldn't be going to FISA. That's you building a straw man. I said absolutely nothing about FISA. I was referring to the Patriot Act. A bill that would never have passed congress without hyping fear after 9/11 and ramming it through overnight.

    I keep saying that I don't approve of Obama doing this yet you righties keep trying to defend your party by trying to pin it all on Obama as if he invented this shyte.
    You said 'none of this would be happening if it wasn't for Bush making us afraid'. This = Obama having the NSA collect all the phone records for everyone in the US. So, Im still trying to get clarification. Its Bush's fault that Obama is afraid?

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    What cracks me up is how so many people get upset about the gov't collecting personal cellphone info even if how they do it now means ALL they collect are numbers not content yet they have no problem answering an online survey for a free iphone or game system giving up their name, email address and other personal info that likely is GIVEN to a 3rd-party vender WITHOUT their knowledge.

    Think it through, folks.
    One is voluntary, the other is not. There, thought through it.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I find it interesting not only how so many people quickly forget how this type of survellience has been going on since 9/11 AND how easily the 9/11 highjackers and terrlorist since have used cell phones to plot their schemes and coordinate their attacks. Moreover, this survellince activity isn't as invasive as the warrantless wiretaps that were originally called for under the Patriot Act.

    You can't have it both ways. You can't ask that the gov't take preventive measures to catch the bad guys where they hide - right under our noses in plain sight using our communications networks against us - then complain when a bombing like what took place at the Boston Marathon happens yet whine that our gov't and local law enforcement didn't do enough to stop it. It just doesn't work like that. So pick a side: civil liberty w/the constant threat of terror at you r doorstep or lose alittle bit of privacy to keep America safe?

    Pick a side. And let's not quote Ben Franklin on the issue of liberty and security. I seriouly doubt he would have invisioned such acts of terrorism happening on US soil.
    We didn't forget. We never knew. These are SECRET warrants. The NSA denied, under oath, that they were doing this.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    You said 'none of this would be happening if it wasn't for Bush making us afraid'. This = Obama having the NSA collect all the phone records for everyone in the US. So, Im still trying to get clarification. Its Bush's fault that Obama is afraid?
    As I stated before paraphrasing Bob Barr, the previous presidents policies that make his ceiling become the floor of the next president that he then builds a new higher ceiling. When the legislature cedes power to the executive it is rarely if ever given back. This is what I meant with the Patriot Act. It's Bush's fault for building that fiasco and constructing that new ceiling and it's Obama's fault for agreeing to extend and use it. Especially when he initially ran on opposing it.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Think it through, folks
    already done

    Barack Obama Statement on Surveillance | Firedoglake

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    America IS at war...on terrorism
    according to our contemplative cic, the war is (rather ambiguously) over

    President Obama debates himself - Glenn Thrush - POLITICO.com

    we won (sorta), by the way

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