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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Not surprised, nor do I expect anything to change. Governments don't give up powers, people do give up outrage... soon the sheep will be okay with it and view anyone wanting privacy as either suspect or paranoid; And the water around the frog approaches a boil.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    You dont use a phone?
    I use Cricket.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    I just want to know where all the, "If you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about," people are? You know, the ones who staunchly defended President Bush when all this wiretapping news hit the media years ago?

    Why does FOXNews spend more time on this Faux-issue than they do on their owner wiretapping citizens in the UK?

    Face it folks, privacy is subjective. The validations for violating said privacy is also subjective.

    I think we would all be surprised to know just how much about us is available for public or private disclosure, should one take the time to dig.

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    Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    How many conservatives around here do you think were ok with this type stuff when Bush was in office?

    I certainly wasn't and many of my friends were not either.

    I did not think Bush was the antichrist like many of you but I certainly did not agree with him on his immigration policy, patriot act, and the bail outs.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Hey Obama, if you're reading this, go **** yourself.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The order to spy on the Soviets and people involved on the left of politics
    world wide? Well no one really knows since it is a big secret, but since the whole cold war started after WW2.. then about that time.
    The order to access metadata from cell phone companiesbwas given somewhere around WWII....ok

    And your seemingly ok with any intrusion as long as a " Judge " offers up a warrant.

    Let me remind you of the many ccorrupt lunatic left wing judges out there who will give the ok on just about any warrant, including the warrant to spy on a reporter and that reporters parents.

    These are the scandals you guys WISH you had on the Republicans from 2000 to 2008....

    But instead you had to make your scandald up and now defend rampant criminql behaviour.

    Good on you for having such a blatant blind allegiance to a corrupt ideology. Good on you.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Why does FOXNews spend more time
    LOL!

    ask the guardian, ask wapo

    ask the hill, brian lamb's favorite source

    ask jonathan turley of cnn and usatoday

    ask the aclu, ask ron wyden

    they (and so many others) would hate to see you remain so confused, especially when they've laid out their screaming objections so loudly and clearly---and legalistically

    you might try reading...

    never mind

    nbc, michael isikoff, last nite:

    The National Security Agency has at times mistakenly intercepted the private email messages and phone calls of Americans who had no link to terrorism, requiring Justice Department officials to report the errors to a secret national security court and destroy the data, according to two former U.S. intelligence officials.

    At least some of the phone calls and emails were pulled from among the hundreds of millions stored by telecommunications companies as part of an NSA surveillance program. James Clapper, the director of national intelligence, Thursday night publicly acknowledged what he called “a sensitive intelligence collection program” after its existence was disclosed by the Guardian newspaper.

    Ret. Adm. Dennis Blair, who served as President Obama’s DNI in 2009 and 2010, told NBC News that, in one instance in 2009, analysts entered a phone number into agency computers and “put one digit wrong,” and mined a large volume of information about Americans with no connection to terror. The matter was reported to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, whose judges required that all the data be destroyed, he said.

    Another former senior official, who asked not to be identified, confirmed Blair’s recollection and said the incident created serious problems for the Justice Department, which represents the NSA before the federal judges on the secret court.

    The judges “were really upset about this,” said the former official. As a result, Attorney General Eric Holder pledged to the judges that the intelligence agencies would take steps to correct the problem as a condition of renewing the NSA’s surveillance program.

    The Justice Department publicly confirmed to the New York Times in April 2009 that Holder had taken “comprehensive steps” to correct a problem in NSA collection after it “detected issues that raised concerns.” But department officials declined to discuss details about what was described at the time as the “over-collection” of information.

    In another instance that was made public in July 2012, a U.S. intelligence official acknowledged in a letter to Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon that “on at least one occasion” the national security court found that “some collection” by the intellligence community “was unreasonable under the Fourth Amendment” to the U.S. Constitution. The official also wrote that the Office of the Director of National Intelligence believed that the government’s collection of information “has sometimes circumvented the spirit of the law” and that “on at least one occasion” the national security court had “reached this same conclusion.”

    Blair declined to say how many times the NSA had had to report the improper collection of information to the court, but indicated it had happened more than once. A spokesman for current DNI Clapper declined comment.

    The 2009 incident that Blair described may shed light on an exchange between Clapper and Sen. Ron Wyden, D.-Ore., at a March hearing of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

    Blair drew a distinction between the “collection” or mining of data on specific U.S. citizens by NSA and the massive trove of phone call information that was turned over to the NSA under a negotiated agreement among intelligence officials, the telecommunications companies and the FISA judges. The purpose of the FISA order was to store information in the event that U.S. intelligence agencies need to access it after getting specific intelligence that somebody in the U.S. might be tied to terrorism. It is only at that point, he explained, that the NSA goes back to the court to get permission to mine or “collect” the data.

    But the intelligence community’s distinction between “storing” and “collecting” data does not satisfy privacy and civil liberties advocates. “They are playing games,” said Cindy Cohn, a lawyer for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which is suing U.S. phone companies over their cooperation with the NSA. Of the improper collection acknowledged by Blair, she said, “Who knows how many times this has happened?”
    inadvertent, illegal...

    and they can't say how many times

    stay tuned

    to wingnuts at nbc

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    How many conservatives around here do you think were ok with this type stuff when Bush was in office?
    An extremely large majority of them

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    Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. May 11-12, 2006. N=1,007 adults nationwide. MoE 3 (for all adults).


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    "As you may know, there are reports that the NSA, a government intelligence agency, has been collecting the phone call records of Americans. The agency doesn't actually listen to the calls but logs in nearly every phone number to create a database of calls made within the United States. Which of the following comes CLOSER to your own view of this domestic surveillance program? It is a necessary tool to combat terrorism. It goes too far in invading people's privacy."

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    ------------------------- Necessary------Goes
    ------------------------- Tool--------------Too Far----- Unsure

    ALL adults ---------------41-------------- 53 ------------6
    Republicans -----------69 ---------------26 ------------5
    Democrats ------------21 ---------------73 ------------6
    Independents ---------41 ---------------56 ------------3

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    "In light of this news and other executive actions by the Bush-Cheney Administration, in general, do you think they have gone too far in expanding presidential power, or not?"


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    ------------------------ Have Gone -------- Have Not
    ------------------------ Too Far -------- Gone Too Far -------Unsure

    ALL adults -------------- 57 ------------------ 38 ----------------- 5
    Republicans ------------25 ----------------- 73 ------------------ 2
    Democrats ------------81 ------------------ 14 ------------------ 5
    Independents --------- 61 ----------------- 35 ------------------ 4
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    So Obama is renewing this program because hes afraid?
    Congress is renewing it very regularly to hand Obama this power he should not have.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by PerfectStorm View Post
    Hey Obama, if you're reading this, go **** yourself.
    PS, I'm sure he read this and was hurt deeply by your post. He posts under the moniker "I'mYourPresident" (literally) ...

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