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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    The percentage of Americans who believe President Barack Obama’s administration has poor ethical standards is higher than that measured by Gallup at various points during presidencies of George W. Bush and Bill Clinton, a new poll finds.

    Thirty-two percent of those surveyed said top Obama officials have “poor” ethics, according to a Gallup poll on Friday. This compares with figures of 29 percent for George W. Bush, 21 percent for Bill Clinton, 7 percent for George H.W. Bush, and 15 percent for Ronald Reagan, pollsters said.

    Ethical standards were rated on a four-step scale - “excellent,” “good,” “not good,” and “poor.”

    Meanwhile, 49 percent consider the controversy over the Internal Revenue Service’s targeting of conservative groups a “very serious” problem, with 58 percent disapproving of how Obama has handled the issue.
    Gallup: 32% say White House ethics 'poor' - Rebecca Elliott - POLITICO.com

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Mass Blanket Surveillance - Obama is NOT the 'Change' We Believed In

    Mass Blanket Surveillance - Obama is NOT the 'Change' We Believed In - YouTube

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Didn't Obama say he would 'fundamentally transform this country'? Well....Welcome to the transformation....Like what you see?
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Needless to say we wouldn't be in this position if the Bush administration and the GOP didn't hype fear and ram this through under the guise of protecting us after 9/11.
    So Obama is renewing this program because hes afraid?

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Seriously? This is old ****ing news. Where was your outrage during the Bush years?
    I'm new and a Democrat and in the Bush years as today, I wondered what would be the worry if one had nothing to hide.

    No one has privacy today, however many go along thinking they do, especially on sites like Face Book. If we are on the internet we have not one single bit of privacy and we really should give that some thought when bashing our President....but of course we all have a right to an opinion.

    They will not read your emails or phone conversations or anything directed at Americans unless there is some connection to a foreign country where is might be questionable. We have complained so often the one agency doesn't know what the other is doing and now this is all on one data base to make it more efficient.

    You will find out when you get to know me that I will call Obama when he needs to be, he is not perfect but on this issue, I would not. jmho

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    So, one of Obamas issues during the 2008 campaign was that he was against secret govt surveillance programs. He later said that once he got in office and he learned about these program, he changed his mind, and we see now that he has expanded them. So, given all that, shouldn't we question future politicians who claim the same things? Who assume they know whats going on, and why? And then campaign on that ignorance?

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    So, one of Obamas issues during the 2008 campaign was that he was against secret govt surveillance programs. He later said that once he got in office and he learned about these program, he changed his mind, and we see now that he has expanded them. So, given all that, shouldn't we question future politicians who claim the same things? Who assume they know whats going on, and why? And then campaign on that ignorance?
    Obama is evolving. It's not that he said and did whatever was necessary to get elected and then did whatever he wanted. Nah. Couldn't be that.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by lilly View Post
    I'm new and a Democrat and in the Bush years as today, I wondered what would be the worry if one had nothing to hide.
    What was the worry then with the Democrats then when Nixon was in office if they had nothing to hid?

    Then somehow you dont think that this information would ever be used for other puposes other than terrorism especially with this presidents record?

    The man is a serial Liar and with all the scandals out there cannot be trusted, period. He has "Zero" credibility even with the NY Times at this point but somehow you still drone on that this is no big deal.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    the guardian goes for it

    The National Security Agency has obtained direct access to the systems of Google, Facebook, Apple and other US internet giants, according to a top secret document obtained by the Guardian.

    The NSA access is part of a previously undisclosed program called Prism, which allows officials to collect material including search history, the content of emails, file transfers and live chats, the document says.

    The Guardian has verified the authenticity of the document, a 41-slide PowerPoint presentation classified as top secret with no distribution to foreign allies which was apparently used to train intelligence operatives on the capabilities of the program. The document claims "collection directly from the servers" of major US service providers.

    Although the presentation claims the program is run with the assistance of the companies, all those who responded to a Guardian request for comment on Thursday denied knowledge of any such program.

    Several senior tech executives insisted that they had no knowledge of Prism or of any similar scheme. They said they would never have been involved in such a program. "If they are doing this, they are doing it without our knowledge," one said.

    An Apple spokesman said it had "never heard" of Prism.

    The program facilitates extensive, in-depth surveillance on live communications and stored information. The law allows for the targeting of any customers of participating firms who live outside the US, or those Americans whose communications include people outside the US.

    It also opens the possibility of communications made entirely within the US being collected without warrants.

    The participation of the internet companies in Prism will add to the debate, ignited by the Verizon revelation, about the scale of surveillance by the intelligence services. Unlike the collection of those call records, this surveillance can include the content of communications and not just the metadata.

    Companies are legally obliged to comply with requests for users' communications under US law, but the Prism program allows the intelligence services direct access to the companies' servers. The NSA document notes the operations have "assistance of communications providers in the US".

    When the FAA was first enacted, defenders of the statute argued that a significant check on abuse would be the NSA's inability to obtain electronic communications without the consent of the telecom and internet companies that control the data. But the Prism program renders that consent unnecessary, as it allows the agency to directly and unilaterally seize the communications off the companies' servers.

    A chart prepared by the NSA, contained within the top-secret document obtained by the Guardian, underscores the breadth of the data it is able to obtain: email, video and voice chat, videos, photos, voice-over-IP (Skype, for example) chats, file transfers, social networking details, and more.

    The document is recent, dating to April 2013. Such a leak is extremely rare in the history of the NSA, which prides itself on maintaining a high level of secrecy.

    The Prism program allows the NSA, the world's largest surveillance organisation, to obtain targeted communications without having to request them from the service providers and without having to obtain individual court orders.

    With this program, the NSA is able to reach directly into the servers of the participating companies and obtain both stored communications as well as perform real-time collection on targeted users.

    The presentation claims Prism was introduced to overcome what the NSA regarded as shortcomings of Fisa warrants in tracking suspected foreign terrorists. It noted that the US has a "home-field advantage" due to housing much of the internet's architecture. But the presentation claimed "Fisa constraints restricted our home-field advantage" because Fisa required individual warrants and confirmations that both the sender and receiver of a communication were outside the US.

    "Fisa was broken because it provided privacy protections to people who were not entitled to them," the presentation claimed. "It took a Fisa court order to collect on foreigners overseas who were communicating with other foreigners overseas simply because the government was collecting off a wire in the United States. There were too many email accounts to be practical to seek Fisas for all."

    The new measures introduced in the FAA redefines "electronic surveillance" to exclude anyone "reasonably believed" to be outside the USA a technical change which reduces the bar to initiating surveillance.

    The act also gives the director of national intelligence and the attorney general power to permit obtaining intelligence information, and indemnifies internet companies against any actions arising as a result of co-operating with authorities' requests.

    In short, where previously the NSA needed individual authorisations, and confirmation that all parties were outside the USA, they now need only reasonable suspicion that one of the parties was outside the country at the time of the records were collected by the NSA.

    It boasts of what it calls "strong growth" in its use of the Prism program to obtain communications. The document highlights the number of obtained communications increased in 2012 by 248% for Skype leading the notes to remark there was "exponential growth in Skype reporting; looks like the word is getting out about our capability against Skype". There was also a 131% increase in requests for Facebook data, and 63% for Google.

    The NSA document indicates that it is planning to add Dropbox as a PRISM provider. The agency also seeks, in its words, to "expand collection services from existing providers".

    Senator Christopher Coons of Delaware specifically warned that the secrecy surrounding the various surveillance programs meant there was no way to know if safeguards within the act were working.

    "The problem is: we here in the Senate and the citizens we represent don't know how well any of these safeguards actually work," he said.

    "The law doesn't forbid purely domestic information from being collected. We know that at least one Fisa court has ruled that the surveillance program violated the law. Why? Those who know can't say and average Americans can't know."

    Other senators also raised concerns. Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon attempted, without success, to find out any information on how many phone calls or emails had been intercepted under the program.

    When the law was enacted, defenders of the FAA argued that a significant check on abuse would be the NSA's inability to obtain electronic communications without the consent of the telecom and internet companies that control the data. But the Prism program renders that consent unnecessary, as it allows the agency to directly and unilaterally seize the communications off the companies' servers.

    When the NSA reviews a communication it believes merits further investigation, it issues what it calls a "report". According to the NSA, "over 2,000 Prism-based reports" are now issued every month. There were 24,005 in 2012, a 27% increase on the previous year.

    Jameel Jaffer, director of the ACLU's Center for Democracy, that it was astonishing the NSA would even ask technology companies to grant direct access to user data.

    "It's shocking enough just that the NSA is asking companies to do this," he said. "The NSA is part of the military. The military has been granted unprecedented access to civilian communications.

    "This is unprecedented militarisation of domestic communications infrastructure. That's profoundly troubling to anyone who is concerned about that separation."
    NSA Prism program taps in to user data of Apple, Google and others | World news | The Guardian

    surprised?

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