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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    The Patriot Act lessens freedoms in the name of fear - and that is ALWAYS wrong.
    Every bit of security law...from PATRIOT To FISA to even simple basic laws against things like murder or theft...ALL lessen freedom in SOME FORM in "fear" of something bad occuring.

    Let's be real here. No one, save for an anarchist, has any issue with the generalized notion of giving up some level of freedom in exchange for security. It is merely where one draws a line.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Every bit of security law...from PATRIOT To FISA to even simple basic laws against things like murder or theft...ALL lessen freedom in SOME FORM in "fear" of something bad occuring.

    Let's be real here. No one, save for an anarchist, has any issue with the generalized notion of giving up some level of freedom in exchange for security. It is merely where one draws a line.


    Oh come on now - you knew exactly what I meant.

    If you want to get into an anal retentive contest - find someone else to do it with.


    I am not talking about jay walking - I am talking about a major increase in government intrusion into American's lives without any prior notice or apparent reason at any time that they so choose without America being in an official state of war.

    And the pathetic War on an Emotion (Terror), doesn't count.


    Have a nice day.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post


    Oh come on now - you knew exactly what I meant.
    If you don't want people to take what you type as serious, then perhaps stop using defintive words like always and placing them in all caps to make them stand out as very important and literal. It's not my fault you typed what you type.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily
    The NSA has been collecting this kind of phone data for nearly twelve years.
    The only news is that now we have a government document released that shows that this is occurring.
    If this is a brand new revelation to you ...where have you been for the last twelve years?




    Seriously, spin that, Obama fans.
    The NSA has been collecting this kind of phone data for nearly twelve years.
    The only news is that now we have a government document released that shows that this is occurring.
    If this is a brand new revelation to you ...where have you been for the last twelve years?

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    If you don't want people to take what you type as serious, then perhaps stop using defintive words like always and placing them in all caps to make them stand out as very important and literal. It's not my fault you typed what you type.
    So you honestly thought that by typing 'always' in reference to the Patriot Act that I might have been referring to ALL laws?

    Riiiiiiight.


    When I typed 'fear' - I was referring to fear from the 9/11 attacks and the laws that have come from the fear those attacks generated.

    I thought that was fairly obvious given the OP and my mentioning the Patriot Act...I guess not.



    Now please find someone else to have anal retentive, urinating contests with.

    And if you don't want to take my public posts seriously - FINE with me.


    Have a nice day.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    The only news is that now we have a government document released that shows that this is occurring
    aclu: surveillance under bush "at least was targeted at agents of al qaeda"

    forbes link above

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    Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    The NSA has been collecting this kind of phone data for nearly twelve years.
    The only news is that now we have a government document released that shows that this is occurring.
    If this is a brand new revelation to you ...where have you been for the last twelve years?
    What is your point?
    If a man has been beating his wife for over a decade, does that make it ok to continue doing it?

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Well, I for one have been boycotting Verizon since 2008. Only one man but I do what I can.
    You dont use a phone?

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    The NSA has been collecting this kind of phone data for nearly twelve years.
    The only news is that now we have a government document released that shows that this is occurring.
    If this is a brand new revelation to you ...where have you been for the last twelve years?
    Initially this program was used (or so we've been told) to track calls between the US and foreign nations ONLY. I'm not about to get into whether that was actually what happened or not because I don't know but what I DO know is that the authority to do this comes from the FISA court. FISA stands for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. I'm thinking that it's a pretty freaking big leap to assume that something designed to collect foreign source data can be expanded to every US citizen and even exclude foreign exchanges.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Initially this program was used (or so we've been told) to track calls between the US and foreign nations ONLY. I'm not about to get into whether that was actually what happened or not because I don't know but what I DO know is that the authority to do this comes from the FISA court. FISA stands for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. I'm thinking that it's a pretty freaking big leap to assume that something designed to collect foreign source data can be expanded to every US citizen and even exclude foreign exchanges.
    And I think one of the main issues here is the secrecy. I think everyone assumed the govt was already spying on us when needed. And so did the terrorists. All we have now is confirmation. The major problem people have, IMO, is that they weren't asked. They don't know whats going on, so they cant make sure its ok. We have secret warrants surveiling the press, secret spying on citizens emails and phone calls, secret after secret. And I think Obama was right today when he said

    "I think it is important to recognize that you can't have 100% security and then also have 100% privacy and zero inconvenience. You know, we are going to have to make some choices as a society."
    People are choosing privacy.

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