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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Kill the Patriot Act....today, please.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Kill the Patriot Act....today, please.
    I'm going to go with no. When it's biggest critic in the senate suggests 90% of it is good law, I'd rather take scapels to the problem parts than kill the whole thing and then attempt to get the useful stuff repassed in an atmosphere where simply being attached at some point to "PATROIT" would be toxic and nearly guarantee it'd not be touched.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    So one wonders what they do with that information? Flag customers who make call to certain countries? It has to be something like that. ??
    Yes and whatever they do to you under the Patriot Acts you are prevented under the Patriot Acts from telling anyone what "they" did. In essence, **** goes on, maybe even to your next door neighbors or friends you have from work, and they can't talk about it or what was done or why it happened. In all likelihood they're never told exactly why whatever happened to them happened.










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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Correct

    Though I'm sure it was unintentional, but by concentrating on partisanship, Zyphlin has been sucked into the very partisanship that he deplores.

    The fact is, we are where we are because of Congress, the White House, and the Judiciary. All three branches of the govt are complicit in this, and so are both parties
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    To a degree ... but evaluating possible differences in motivation and extent would be wise in order to get an accurate degree of concern for these practices.


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    Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I wasn't aware that W was President in 1991.....? With that said, you do have a point in that we allow things to happen that later become problems then say to ourselves, "what the....?"
    Let me restate that, it started with the legislation on the "infrastructure" in 1991. Since that point all cell phones can be tracked via gps, can have the mic turned on remotely by police, etc...

    Bush stepped it up a notch with the total information awareness, that basically logs all phone calls, emails, text messages, etc, for computer analysis finding key words that will flag the message to be checked.

    Was typing too quick for my own good, the point Is that this is nothing new.

    Oh, also, google itself was started with NSA money, so who do you think gets that data?!

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    So youre ok with Obama doing this?
    No, this has been headed in the wrong direction for more than 20 years.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    That's a great question. What can we do as individuals? Write/phone/e-mail our elected reps?
    THats about all we can do till the next election when we can replace them all.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Lisa Gerard came up with the solution to this problem 52 years ago.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well, for one, I don't think we all agree.

    Second, "what we're going to do about it" may be the one area where "the last guy" may be important in terms of the notion of precedence. I know there were complaints and issues in legal senses and others regarding what occured with Bush. Knowing how those proceeded and what occured and what was established would be important to know.

    Third, "what we're going to do about it" would largely depend on what your focus is. Is it that this action is bad and needs to be stopped? Is it that laws that ALLOW for these type of actoins to be done are bad and THEY need to be stopped? Is it that you think Obama is bad for doing this and it means he needs to be removed? And, on the latter point, is your desire for that so much that you'd focus on that even if it's likely to fail at the expense of not being able to actually get the former issues resolved?

    I think Rand Paul probalby has the right idea on this in terms of "doing something about it" if anything needs to be done, and that's some legislation attempting to firmly set down a limit on doing such actions.
    Thats what I was getting at. People seem to be against the blanket and secret nature of whats going on. So congress or the President needs to put a limit on whats being collected such that its only collected when needed and only whats relevant to a particular investigation. The only way to make them do that right now is petitioning govt.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm going to go with no. When it's biggest critic in the senate suggests 90% of it is good law, I'd rather take scapels to the problem parts than kill the whole thing and then attempt to get the useful stuff repassed in an atmosphere where simply being attached at some point to "PATROIT" would be toxic and nearly guarantee it'd not be touched.
    I could care less what most massively corrupted Senators think.

    Politicians love power - that's why (imo) most of them entered politics.

    And the Patriot Act means more power to the government - less to the people.


    The Patriot Act lessens freedoms in the name of fear - and that is ALWAYS wrong.

    I will not debate this point as it is (IMO) an absolute.


    If America can only survive by taking away individual freedoms and liberties of it's people, then let it die.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    We all seem to agree that what Obama is doing is wrong, so what are we going to do about it?
    Well, I for one have been boycotting Verizon since 2008. Only one man but I do what I can.
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