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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    I wonder if it has unlimited data?
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Ok Bush did it too. Lets remove him from office. Oh wait.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    I am not really sure how I feel about this story...

    When the Patriot act was instituted and this practice was initiated, I defended it with the explanations that the Bush administration gave, in that they weren't listening in to actual conversations of Americans on a day to day basis, but that they were tracking calls made from here, to an overseas known terror figure, or vice versa.

    Many liberals that I know and respect used, turns out quite prophetically at the time, that this power would be abused, and we may not like it when Bush was gone...Crystal Ball? Nah, just something we should have listened to.

    Although I do think that this was/is just an extension of what has been going on for the past 7 years at least, and I am not that quick to listen to how evil this is, set to some horror movie sound track, while the broadcaster in somber voice tells us how the evil Obama is for doing this...

    What does seem to bother me, is that it is coming out that it is not only the meta data involved in your phone records that is being stored because it may be lost as the companies routinely scrub their history's....It is now revealed that the program also includes, your web traffic, your credit card purchases, your e-mail....etc...This is intrusive...Whether it is actually read, looked at, or not, is not the question, the question is do we have a 4th amendment anymore? Where is our right to privacy?

    This is a case where, as I said, I defended it when it started in the Bush administration, I was wrong.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am not really sure how I feel about this story...

    When the Patriot act was instituted and this practice was initiated, I defended it with the explanations that the Bush administration gave, in that they weren't listening in to actual conversations of Americans on a day to day basis, but that they were tracking calls made from here, to an overseas known terror figure, or vice versa.

    Many liberals that I know and respect used, turns out quite prophetically at the time, that this power would be abused, and we may not like it when Bush was gone...Crystal Ball? Nah, just something we should have listened to.

    Although I do think that this was/is just an extension of what has been going on for the past 7 years at least, and I am not that quick to listen to how evil this is, set to some horror movie sound track, while the broadcaster in somber voice tells us how the evil Obama is for doing this...

    What does seem to bother me, is that it is coming out that it is not only the meta data involved in your phone records that is being stored because it may be lost as the companies routinely scrub their history's....It is now revealed that the program also includes, your web traffic, your credit card purchases, your e-mail....etc...This is intrusive...Whether it is actually read, looked at, or not, is not the question, the question is do we have a 4th amendment anymore? Where is our right to privacy?

    This is a case where, as I said, I defended it when it started in the Bush administration, I was wrong.
    Question is, why haven't liberals gotten rid of it?
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    I can understand the desire for this data but I blame the judge for providing. Verizon and the others could easily provide a schema for the data and then when a court authorizes the tracking of a suspect, then the relevant data can be sent over. I feel badly for those wrong numbers that accidentally get a call from a terrorist.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Question is, why haven't liberals gotten rid of it?
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am not really sure how I feel about this story...

    When the Patriot act was instituted and this practice was initiated, I defended it with the explanations that the Bush administration gave, in that they weren't listening in to actual conversations of Americans on a day to day basis, but that they were tracking calls made from here, to an overseas known terror figure, or vice versa.

    Many liberals that I know and respect used, turns out quite prophetically at the time, that this power would be abused, and we may not like it when Bush was gone...Crystal Ball? Nah, just something we should have listened to.

    Although I do think that this was/is just an extension of what has been going on for the past 7 years at least, and I am not that quick to listen to how evil this is, set to some horror movie sound track, while the broadcaster in somber voice tells us how the evil Obama is for doing this...

    What does seem to bother me, is that it is coming out that it is not only the meta data involved in your phone records that is being stored because it may be lost as the companies routinely scrub their history's....It is now revealed that the program also includes, your web traffic, your credit card purchases, your e-mail....etc...This is intrusive...Whether it is actually read, looked at, or not, is not the question, the question is do we have a 4th amendment anymore? Where is our right to privacy?

    This is a case where, as I said, I defended it when it started in the Bush administration, I was wrong.
    I admire your candor!

    I was one of those condemning the patriot act from its beginning. It was unconstitutional then, and it's unconstitutional now. It nullified the Fourth Amendment then, and we're seeing now the results of 10 years of unconstitutional governance.

    When we reject constitutional government, this is what we get. We have forsaken the US Constitution, and this is what we get.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I admire your candor!

    I was one of those condemning the patriot act from its beginning. It was unconstitutional then, and it's unconstitutional now. It nullified the Fourth Amendment then, and we're seeing now the results of 10 years of unconstitutional governance.

    When we reject constitutional government, this is what we get. We have forsaken the US Constitution, and this is what we get.
    We've sold our privacy for the ultimate witch hunt.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Question is, why haven't liberals gotten rid of it?
    Oh that is an easy one...

    Because both Liberals and Conservatives have played into the post 9/11 paranoia. Both parties represent big government and the left/right paradigm controls our politics.

    They are two different sectors of the same entity.
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