And btw... it's NOT okay. I never said so and in fact it pisses me the hell off. And it has pissed me off for 7 years. Not just for a single day after some partisan echo-chamber told me to all of a sudden be angry.
This is the sentence that makes more of your point. It's all about making a partisan political point.Originally Posted by jmotivator
What evidence is there that all Senators and Congressman approved of this program over the years?
Do you think every Senator and Congressman who is not on an intelligence committee has the same level of access as they do?
I find it much more likely to be a combination of
A) Intelligence Committee "we can't tell you what it is but trust us, its good for America"
B) Nancy Pelosi's famed "You have to vote on it to see what is in it."
This isn't just about Bush and Obama. This is about ridiculous expansion and over reach of government power.
When you have Senators and Congressman that can serve so many consecutive terms that they are fully entrenched and don't even have to bother campaigning anymore, you get this kind of ruling class mentality that they have the "flexibility" to do whatever they want and don't feel that they have to strictly work hard to please their constituency any more.
I gotta be honest I don't see allot of citizens saying "you know what I'd really like, I'd like for the government to read all of my text/e-mails/social media", "I'd like to be under surveillance 24/7" "I'd like for there to be so many laws and regulations on the book that I have to hire an attorney just to be sure I am not breaking a law/regulation and any given time of day."
I watched the Justice Department Oversight (oxymoron) & Budget hearing featuring Eric Holder. I laughed when Senator Kirk asked if Congress was being monitored, as well at Holder's "answer". I thought it was particularly humorous that Kirk was more concerned about colleagues of his being monitored than 100 MILLION Americans by the NSA.
I've known about this for years. If you're a senator and this is news to you... you are so incredibly out of the loop it is astounding. NSA whistleblowers have been making credible claims about this for years. Incidences where the government got busted setting up a data center linked to telcos have happened all over the U.S.
If you want to play the partisan game, guess who has been covering this all this time? Alternative liberal media and Alex Jones.
EDIT: Some history
An NSA Whistleblower Speaks Out
Whistleblower Levels Shocking Allegations at Bush's Spying Programs
Government Case Against Whistleblower Thomas Drake Collapses
Exposed: Inside the NSA’s Largest and Most Expansive Secret Domestic Spy Center in Bluffdale, Utah
Private Spies and Our Growing Surveillance State
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It was a direct response to your accusation, I just flipped it back. One has to wonder when you come into a thread like this and attack the people who are agreeing with you rather than the ones who don't that your motives are entirely partisan.This is the sentence that makes more of your point. It's all about making a partisan political point.