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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    Excellent. Thanks for proving my point even better than I. You care now that the president is Obama. It's not the topic you care about, its the man you care about. Which makes your point... irrelevant.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    It's okay because a senator tells us no citizens have filed a complaint. About a secret surveillance program we weren't aware of. That's a rich defense.
    Yes, Saxby Chambliss is a dumbass. I agree. Hardly refutes the point that the senate all knew about it for 7 years.

    And btw... it's NOT okay. I never said so and in fact it pisses me the hell off. And it has pissed me off for 7 years. Not just for a single day after some partisan echo-chamber told me to all of a sudden be angry.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Nice to see that a conservative finally gives a **** about this kind of stuff.
    I've always cared. The real revelation comes from all the liberals that apparently stopped caring.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I've always cared.
    Yeah. It really shows in your posts. By all means, link to one of your posts you've previously made showing how you remotely gave a **** before a day or two ago.

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    The more troubling revelation is all the liberals that stopped caring.
    This is the sentence that makes more of your point. It's all about making a partisan political point.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    What evidence is there that all Senators and Congressman approved of this program over the years?

    Do you think every Senator and Congressman who is not on an intelligence committee has the same level of access as they do?

    I find it much more likely to be a combination of
    A) Intelligence Committee "we can't tell you what it is but trust us, its good for America"
    B) Nancy Pelosi's famed "You have to vote on it to see what is in it."

    This isn't just about Bush and Obama. This is about ridiculous expansion and over reach of government power.

    When you have Senators and Congressman that can serve so many consecutive terms that they are fully entrenched and don't even have to bother campaigning anymore, you get this kind of ruling class mentality that they have the "flexibility" to do whatever they want and don't feel that they have to strictly work hard to please their constituency any more.

    I gotta be honest I don't see allot of citizens saying "you know what I'd really like, I'd like for the government to read all of my text/e-mails/social media", "I'd like to be under surveillance 24/7" "I'd like for there to be so many laws and regulations on the book that I have to hire an attorney just to be sure I am not breaking a law/regulation and any given time of day."

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    I watched the Justice Department Oversight (oxymoron) & Budget hearing featuring Eric Holder. I laughed when Senator Kirk asked if Congress was being monitored, as well at Holder's "answer". I thought it was particularly humorous that Kirk was more concerned about colleagues of his being monitored than 100 MILLION Americans by the NSA.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    I've known about this for years. If you're a senator and this is news to you... you are so incredibly out of the loop it is astounding. NSA whistleblowers have been making credible claims about this for years. Incidences where the government got busted setting up a data center linked to telcos have happened all over the U.S.

    If you want to play the partisan game, guess who has been covering this all this time? Alternative liberal media and Alex Jones.

    EDIT: Some history

    Jan 2006
    An NSA Whistleblower Speaks Out
    http://www.alternet.org/story/30387/...wer_speaks_out

    Jan 2009
    Whistleblower Levels Shocking Allegations at Bush's Spying Programs
    http://wvvw.alternet.org/story/12223...pying_programs

    June 2011
    Government Case Against Whistleblower Thomas Drake Collapses
    http://www.thenation.com/article/161...rake-collapses

    March 2012
    Exposed: Inside the NSA’s Largest and Most Expansive Secret Domestic Spy Center in Bluffdale, Utah
    http://www.democracynow.org/2012/3/2...as_largest_and

    Sep 2012
    Private Spies and Our Growing Surveillance State
    http://www.thenation.com/article/169...eillance-state
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The article states that the Patriot Act is the fig leaf used for the over reach. But nobody but the President (read: no SANE person) interprets the provisions that broadly.

    ... So Obama railing against the Patriot Act was really just a way of saying "You REALLY don't want to trust ME with that..."

    And this is why a lot of civil libertarians spoke out against the Patriot Act. Even if you trust the man in office to not abuse it, how could you be sure about the next guy? A costly lesson for conservatives (and the rest of America).
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Yeah. It really shows in your posts. By all means, link to one of your posts you've previously made showing how you remotely gave a **** before a day or two ago.
    I've been here 4 months. Please show me all the posts you have made that showed you caring about this subject in the last 4 months before the news broke. A brief scan of your recent posts reveals you seem to care a lot more about the pay scale at Walmart than you do NSA data mining even AFTER the story broke.

    This is the sentence that makes more of your point. It's all about making a partisan political point.
    It was a direct response to your accusation, I just flipped it back. One has to wonder when you come into a thread like this and attack the people who are agreeing with you rather than the ones who don't that your motives are entirely partisan.

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