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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    I would like to echo that by adding that things like this will never stop as long as people continue to provide cover by pointing to the past transgressions of the opposition.
    The only reason past transgressions matter is that it causes a severe gap in any sort of credibility in actually caring about the issue.

    I'm pretty certain that voting Republican would not lead to an end of our current security state....it just seems like pointing and yelling just for the sake of "digging" the other side.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    This is also supported by a lot of Republicans. Take the case of Lindsey Graham, who supports what Obama is doing. And here is the deal - Those who supported Bush, and who told us that we had better watch what we say are condemning this? At least Lindsey Graham, who was a member of what I once called the Bushnevik faction, is being honest about the government spying on American citizens that he supports.

    Is Obama anti American? You betcha, but my heroes are not those Republicans who only care if it is the other party sticking their nose into my business. My hero today is Rand Paul, AN HONEST REPUBLICAN, who gives a damn, and who is really pissed about this, and who would have been pissed at Bush too, had he been a Senator at that time. As for those who loved it when the Bush administration was doing the same thing, albeit on a smaller scale - YOU ENABLED THIS ABUSE OF POWER, so don't try and pass it off. The fault lies in YOU, as much as it lies in Obama. Stick that in your anti American pipe and smoke it!! Your chickens have now come home to roost. Live with it.

    Kick their ass, Rand.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Anybody defending this because Bush started it, or attacking it only because Obama continued it, is a fool.

    A reasonable expectation of privacy includes the privacy to place a call without the government knowing who you called.

    Unless the government can prove that all 3 million Verizon customers are reasonably presumed to be breaking the law, this is garbage, and patently un-Consitutional.

    Shame on any of you who defend this.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I never said "nobody would be upset"

    Your making crap up about what I said demonstrates your desperation to make a point.
    Oh relax. I was kidding. When I make crap up, I admit it.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    As I have been saying since the Patriot Act was first proposed: Never seek political power you wouldn't trust to your worst enemy.

    Once you get that power it is a foregone conclusion that one day your opponent will too.

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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    As I have been saying since the Patriot Act was first proposed: Never seek political power you wouldn't trust to your worst enemy.

    Once you get that power it is a foregone conclusion that one day your opponent will too.
    I totally agree with you on this point.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    NSA has always been freaky. This is sadly to be expected from them.

    They should have just bought the records from Verizon. Personal data is a commodity these days.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Oh relax. I was kidding. When I make crap up, I admit it.
    Yeah, right

    You just made crap up, and now you're denying it
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Yes and no. Yes, don't use past transgressions as an excuse for current and future ones. But no, don't pretend that these ills can be cured by partisan politics and simply electing the other party.
    Maybe that didn't come across the way I meant it to.

    Partisanship IS the problem. Each side is so caught up in tarnishing the others "brand" at every opportunity while simultaneously protecting their own "brand" at all costs that it has seriously effected accountability, and more importantly, the ability to hold anyone accountable. It's gotten to the point where now it's like they know ahead of time that they can get away with just about anything because "the other guy" has already gotten away with it in the past.

    Edit: This is a two way street, too. The Republicans use this tactic every bit as much as Democrats.
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    Re: Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

    speaking of architects...

    has this been going on forever?

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