This tyrannical administration is also demanding you hand over your guns to the Government. They are still actively trying to repeal the 2nd amendment. Who has spent months on these boards demanding that Obama be given the right to take your guns away? Liberals
The Left has turned Fascist
The article says specifically they're requesting information on all calls, both foreign and domestic.
I suppose I could even partially defend Pres. Obama if he was only targeting calls to select regions of the world known for terrorism. That doesn't make it right, of course, but I could certainly see the argument that he's honestly just trying to thwart terrorism in that case. Apparently he wants to know what we're all doing at any time.
NSA's Verizon Spying Order Specifically Targeted Americans, Not Foreigners - Forbes“It is hereby ordered that [Verizon Business Network Services'] Custodian of Records shall produce to the National Security Agency…all call detail records or ‘telephony metadata’ created by Verizon for communications (i) between the United States and abroad; or (ii) wholly within the United States, including local telephone calls,” the Guardian’s copy of the order reads. “This Order does not require Verizon to include telephony metadata for communications wholly originating and terminating in foreign countries.”
Fine, you have a right to your opinion.I don't doubt you think it's wrong in both cases. But I think your REACTION to that wrongness is absolutely shaded differently.
Yes, but from what I understand, you needed a court-approved warrant to do so. That's what keeps these spying programs from getting out of hand, IMO. But since the Bush Administration--or, pretty much the Patriot Act--that has changed. That is the biggie, eye-opening change.Also, let's be real. The Patriot Act and the various actions taken there weren't themselves born from nothing. ECHELON and CALEA are two such examples started with Democrats in the white house. Under Clinton, after the Olypmic bombing, similar ratcheting up of survelliance in the name of anti-terror occured (Digital Telephony, the Communications Assistant to Law Enforcement Act, Aviation Security and Anti-Terrosim Act, Anti-Terrorism Law Enforcement Act). As described in one artcile:
Like you just did above?That's why the "BUT THE LAST GUY..." thing doesn't work so well.
I can agree with this.Because when it comes to politics, there's always a reasonable argument that "the last guy" was actually just building upon the same things "the last guy!" before him was doing, and so on and so on. Few things are the first instances of encroachment, it simply is another step...another step...another step.
However, some steps are broader. Stopping the courts from getting involved was a big one, and that happened under Bush. Obama has certainly continued the program, but I am not sure he's done anything differently than staus quo.
"There is a lot of talk coming from CitiGroup about how Dodd-Frank isn't perfect, So let me say this to anyone listening at Citi —I agree with you. Dodd-Frank isn't perfect. It should have broken you into pieces." -- Elizabeth Warren
Sen. Paul Statement on National Security Agency Surveillance Rand Paul | United States Senator
Jun 6, 2013
WASHINGTON, D.C. - Sen. Rand Paul today released the following statement in response to news of the NSA extensive seizure and surveillance of Americans' Verizon phone records.
The National Security Agency's seizure and surveillance of virtually all of Verizon's phone customers is an astounding assault on the Constitution. After revelations that the Internal Revenue Service targeted political dissidents and the Department of Justice seized reporters' phone records, it would appear that this Administration has now sunk to a new low.
When Sen. Mike Lee and I offered an amendment that would attach Fourth Amendment protections to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act last year, it was defeated, and FISA was passed by an overwhelming majority of the Senate. At the time, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid remarked that FISA was "necessary to protect us from the evil in this world."
The Bill of Rights was designed to protect us from evil, too, particularly that which always correlates with concentrated government power, and particularly Executive power. If the President and Congress would obey the Fourth Amendment we all swore to uphold, this new shocking revelation that the government is now spying on citizens' phone data en masse would never have happened.
"It ain't what they call you, it's what you answer to." - W. C. Fields
If anyone wants these NSA phone records, just write to the Chinese govt. and they will give it to you.
The White House wont even confirm they they are doing this, even though congress already has. Why is this spying secret? The terrorists know that we do this. But americans arent allowed to know when they govt wants to spy on us?