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    Re: Susan Rice to replace Donilon as national security adviser

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    With all due respect, I think you are either misreading the posting of MMC, or misrepresenting it all together ideologically.

    While strong leadership is preferable, the administrations message to date is one of weakness. Remember the old speech where Obama said that "we are exceptional only in the same way that England, Egypt, or Greece thinks themselves exceptional"? This was a clarion call at the beginning of Obama's term laying out that the US would no longer take the lead. In this world it is a dangerous world view.

    Look, we already see the effects of this type of "leadership" of lack of, in the terms of what Syria has become. Russia, and Iran are openly bolstering the Assad regime, aiding in the death of tens of thousands, while "red lines" are only a pre cursor to an academic study on the violation, and the displacement of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Syrians caught in the middle, to countries that can NOT handle the influx, and may cause their own downfall.

    Like it or not Obama, and Rice set this in motion with their apology tours, and appeasement of radical forces here and abroad, while with the other hand shuttling arms from Lybia to Syria that I think resulted in the death of an ambassador, and three patriotic Americans in Libya, with NO attempt to even try and save them, while they wrung their collective hands and sought to make up a phony story to cover their own ass, and apologize once again for feigned outrage that plays into political propaganda of our enemies in that region.

    Now, we are going to have a true radical leftist in that seat of the collection of Star Wars bar room scene rejects known as the feckless UN. Great! Powers is hostile to our only true ally in the region, Israel, while espousing that we send a military force to protect the Palestinians, I suppose as they lob indiscriminate missiles into Israeli elementary schools. New Town was an unbearable massacre, so much so that we must, just must do away with the 2nd amendment, but this sort of crap is justified? Why? Because a peoples right to exist is somehow unjust to the liars, and thieves of the UN collection of propaganda peddlers that all carry an agenda against such a small, persecuted people?

    It's all just such crap.
    Purposely misrepresenting it my brutha. You can always tell when they come in and sidetrack one with what they aren't talking about. Looking to argue over what wasn't even brought up or one said. Then you know for sure once they start explaining away what you are thinking.

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    Re: Susan Rice to replace Donilon as national security adviser

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I never said Russia Was an Ally....that is just another of your usual Misinterpretations or that Stupid **** of trying to think for me. Which really that is your Biggest mistake. Which you could never know what I was thinking. But don't worry One day you will finally figure that Stupid **** out. Now for your Usual Confusion. I stated Lavrov Mocked Rice on the Security Council. Course then Churkin jumped in. But that still doesn't Count other Western nations that were complaining about Rice. Diplomats on the 15-nation U.N. Security Council privately complain of Rice's aggressive negotiating tactics, describing her with terms like "undiplomatic" and "sometimes rather rude." They attributed some blunt language to Rice - "this is crap," "let's kill this" or "this is bull****." "She's got a sort of a cowboy-ish attitude," one Western diplomat said. "She has a tendency to treat other countries as mere (U.S.) subsidiaries." Two other diplomats - all three were male - supported this view.....snip~Susan Rice battles critics as abrasive style takes toll - Chicago Tribune Oooops.....Some more of what ya thought you knew about. Damn Wrong Again as your SCN so aptly points out. Course Rice has never been strong with anything I said. So there goes once again some more BS about you trying to think for me. I mean How many times do I have to prove you wrong. Just like I already did. Usually you run off once ya get shown that you as usual don't know what you are talking about. Might want to grap your RUNNING Shoes. That which you know so well.
    What you do is blur your comments into one hot mess and then twist and shout your way out of it. You say lavov mocked Rice, I can't find any mocking, the Russians want to water down the UN resolution on Syria but mocking??? You try to include Russia as an ally in broad statements, then turn and deny it. I can't find any references to 'private' complaints other than your one source on the one topic. but please keep trying, you have made partisan attacks your forte.

    But what amazes me is you are attacking Rice for the EXACT thing that was Bolton's strong suit. It seems you don't have any real philosophy other than intense attack on the dems. The last administration took pride in being called cowboys and now you use the exact same term to attack Rice.

    You attack Rice for following the SAME track our nation has for generations when it comes to Africa and ignore the many fine speeches made by right wing administrations that are just that. She does EXACTLY what the Right Wing did and the hyper partisans attack her for that.

    You are not proving anything except you are highly partisan and the true partisan abandons any real logic to attack the opposition.

    Again you flatter yourself and your abrasive style way too much, I don't run off, I get tired of reading the muck you fling and the complete lack of any logic behind it.

    There is no discussing the issues with someone who makes Rice look sweet and charming...

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    Re: Susan Rice to replace Donilon as national security adviser

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    With all due respect, I think you are either misreading the posting of MMC, or misrepresenting it all together ideologically. While strong leadership is preferable, the administrations message to date is one of weakness. Remember the old speech where Obama said that "we are exceptional only in the same way that England, Egypt, or Greece thinks themselves exceptional"? This was a clarion call at the beginning of Obama's term laying out that the US would no longer take the lead. In this world it is a dangerous world view. Look, we already see the effects of this type of "leadership" of lack of, in the terms of what Syria has become. Russia, and Iran are openly bolstering the Assad regime, aiding in the death of tens of thousands, while "red lines" are only a pre cursor to an academic study on the violation, and the displacement of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Syrians caught in the middle, to countries that can NOT handle the influx, and may cause their own downfall. Like it or not Obama, and Rice set this in motion with their apology tours, and appeasement of radical forces here and abroad, while with the other hand shuttling arms from Lybia to Syria that I think resulted in the death of an ambassador, and three patriotic Americans in Libya, with NO attempt to even try and save them, while they wrung their collective hands and sought to make up a phony story to cover their own ass, and apologize once again for feigned outrage that plays into political propaganda of our enemies in that region. Now, we are going to have a true radical leftist in that seat of the collection of Star Wars bar room scene rejects known as the feckless UN. Great! Powers is hostile to our only true ally in the region, Israel, while espousing that we send a military force to protect the Palestinians, I suppose as they lob indiscriminate missiles into Israeli elementary schools. New Town was an unbearable massacre, so much so that we must, just must do away with the 2nd amendment, but this sort of crap is justified? Why? Because a peoples right to exist is somehow unjust to the liars, and thieves of the UN collection of propaganda peddlers that all carry an agenda against such a small, persecuted people? It's all just such crap.
    Oh I am not misreading MMC at all, he is in rare form today. Obama gets damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Not strong enough and he appoints a representative who is and the rabid right flips out. I believe you misrepresent the Obama's words about leadership, we will no longer act as if we and we alone get to decide who is behaving and who needs to be attacked. He renounced the Neo-con 1% threat solution. There IS a difference.

    I don't see what 'leadership' style would have deflected of affected Syria. More to the point was the fiasco of Iraq emboldened nations to act as they wished while BushII was President. While you claim the apology tour has caused the deaths of four Americans in Libya you neglect to see how many died around the world while BushII was in office, that was discussed in another thread.

    This is what amazes me about the Right, you attack the UN as worthless and another Right wing guy claims the UN matters when they block a resolution, not mock but block, as if that was a huge defeat for us. We push for stronger UN action and yet you call them radical left wing... it is truly puzzling.

    Now you descend into right wing mush- first talking to the Palestinians isn't wrong, until we talk there will be on settlement, how many years has the beat them with a stick approach been used and failed? A true discussion of the ME belongs elsewhere but Israel isn't our only ally.

    More right wing mush- President Obama isn't trying to take anyone's 2nd A away. That is just fear mongering.

    I have not read where the UN has declared Israel has no right to exist, just not to exist on the West Bank.

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    Re: Susan Rice to replace Donilon as national security adviser

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    What you do is blur your comments into one hot mess and then twist and shout your way out of it. You say lavov mocked Rice, I can't find any mocking, the Russians want to water down the UN resolution on Syria but mocking??? You try to include Russia as an ally in broad statements, then turn and deny it. I can't find any references to 'private' complaints other than your one source on the one topic. but please keep trying, you have made partisan attacks your forte.

    But what amazes me is you are attacking Rice for the EXACT thing that was Bolton's strong suit. It seems you don't have any real philosophy other than intense attack on the dems. The last administration took pride in being called cowboys and now you use the exact same term to attack Rice.

    You attack Rice for following the SAME track our nation has for generations when it comes to Africa and ignore the many fine speeches made by right wing administrations that are just that. She does EXACTLY what the Right Wing did and the hyper partisans attack her for that.

    You are not proving anything except you are highly partisan and the true partisan abandons any real logic to attack the opposition.

    Again you flatter yourself and your abrasive style way too much, I don't run off, I get tired of reading the muck you fling and the complete lack of any logic behind it.

    There is no discussing the issues with someone who makes Rice look sweet and charming...
    No it has nothing to do with Blurring comments. It just has to do with you always bringing up what no one has said. Or when you go into that BS mode of trying to tell others what they are thinking. Such a shame that you cant deal with Obama being Damned if he does and damned if he don't. But it didn't bother you so much with your favorite Call Sign......Buuuuuuuuuuuuuush!

    Wrong again.....your usual. I stated Rice was an incompetent fool and a Failure. Has nothing to do with Who she associates with. Just like you wrong about the Muslims and their Complaints about her. Like you were Wrong about other Western nations complaining about her and Just like you were wrong about the Russians and what they stated about her. As well as wrong about What people said about France. Then finally were wrong about saying other people were calling Russia an Ally.

    So, No actually you do run off. Mostly due to being NotSoQuiteRight around here. Your Norm!

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    Re: Susan Rice to replace Donilon as national security adviser

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    No it has nothing to do with Blurring comments. It just has to do with you always bringing up what no one has said. Or when you go into that BS mode of trying to tell others what they are thinking. Such a shame that you cant deal with Obama being Damned if he does and damned if he don't. But it didn't bother you so much with your favorite Call Sign......Buuuuuuuuuuuuuush!

    Wrong again.....your usual. I stated Rice was an incompetent fool and a Failure. Has nothing to do with Who she associates with. Just like you wrong about the Muslims and their Complaints about her. Like you were Wrong about other Western nations complaining about her and Just like you were wrong about the Russians and what they stated about her. As well as wrong about What people said about France. Then finally were wrong about saying other people were calling Russia an Ally.

    So, No actually you do run off. Mostly due to being NotSoQuiteRight around here. Your Norm!
    No Sir, you dance around claiming things that didn't happen like the Russian UN ambassador 'mocking' Rice, or 'private' comments by unnamed people who only one source claims.

    BushII isn't my call sign, he is the President who set the precedent the Right Wing loves to forget!

    Forget Freedom Fries and surrender jokes about France when they saw the folly of BushII's war in Iraq.

    Forget Bolton and his very antagonistic persona in the UN

    Forget Reagan 'refusing' to pay UN dues

    Forget damn near every administration forgets Africa and when we don't it is BushI getting us into the Somalia mess to begin with.

    No, it isn't running off it is just getting tired of trying to hold a civil discussion with someone who can't remember when the radical right loved people who acted and talked like Rice.

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    Re: Susan Rice to replace Donilon as national security adviser

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    You seem like an objective person.
    Said no one ever.

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    Re: Susan Rice to replace Donilon as national security adviser

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    Hitler would be proud of you surrounding yourself with conmen/women propagandists, mister Odumba. A chip off the old fascist turd
    Just as a side note, Women served strictly as housewives under Hitler's regime, their inclusion in politics was inconceivable.

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    Re: Susan Rice to replace Donilon as national security adviser

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Rice is a deliberately provocative choice.

    I wonder if the President realizes that she's an insulting choice to those of us who are independents?
    On what basis would you make this claim? Applicable polling data specifically.

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    Re: Susan Rice to replace Donilon as national security adviser

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    On what basis would you make this claim? Applicable polling data specifically.
    Let's see what a fellow Democrat says about the appointment...

    JAMES CARVILLE: "My guess is that he wanted her to be Secretary of State and he felt like she kind of got railroaded there and this is kind of in your face appointment, but he obviously thinks a great deal of Ambassador Rice. Like I say, he wanted her to be Secretary of State. She's not confirmable and it's like a message that he's going to stick by. He views her as a competent person and probably as a friend of his. You know, I think it's an in your face appointment and he feels good about making it."

    Carville: Obama's Choice Of Susan Rice For National Security Adviser An "In Your Face Appointment" | RealClearPolitics

    Fifty-six percent (56%) now consider the federal government a threat to individual rights rather than a protector of those rights. That’s up 10 points from 46% in December.

    Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™
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    Re: Susan Rice to replace Donilon as national security adviser

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Let's see what a fellow Democrat says about the appointment...

    JAMES CARVILLE: "My guess is that he wanted her to be Secretary of State and he felt like she kind of got railroaded there and this is kind of in your face appointment, but he obviously thinks a great deal of Ambassador Rice. Like I say, he wanted her to be Secretary of State. She's not confirmable and it's like a message that he's going to stick by. He views her as a competent person and probably as a friend of his. You know, I think it's an in your face appointment and he feels good about making it."

    Carville: Obama's Choice Of Susan Rice For National Security Adviser An "In Your Face Appointment" | RealClearPolitics

    Fifty-six percent (56%) now consider the federal government a threat to individual rights rather than a protector of those rights. That’s up 10 points from 46% in December.

    Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™
    Doesn't say much in actuality. Carville was obviously referring to the republican leadership in the Senate and their vow to railroad the nomination of Rice for Secretary of State. The poster in question simply asserted that the thought of Rice in this position is an affront to independents in general, which is why I questioned the validity of that sentiment.

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