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    Re: Susan Rice to replace Donilon as national security adviser

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Just a few facts about France outwitting Rice, or the Muslim complaints, and Darfur??? REALLY??? Again you rant with no real facts, just very vague claims someone said something and when i do show the complaint is just standard Roosian wolf whistling you ignore the facts and rant on.
    So, if I read you correctly here, it is a standard progressive, 'nothing to see here, move on'... No accountability, other than lip service....right?

    The most pugnacious ambassador to the UN was Bolton, who makes Rice seem like a Pussy cat.
    We need strong leadership in the world. Freedom of millions depends on it.

    To the Right Wing France is no ally but the butt of 99% of the surrender jokes.
    You are quite wrong. France is an ally.

    To the Right Wing Russia is an enemy on the rise, not an ally.
    There is something really backwards in your thinking if you believe that Russia is a true ally, and France is not.

    To the Right Wing most of the Muslim world is a hot mess that needs to move into the 19th century before we can deal with them...
    That is true, unless you'd like to explain to me what you think sitting down a table across from a radical enemy of anyone not adhering to the same warped belief system as they believe would accomplish.

    well we can still exploit their oil...
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    Re: Susan Rice to replace Donilon as national security adviser

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Just a few facts about France outwitting Rice, or the Muslim complaints, and Darfur??? REALLY??? Again you rant with no real facts, just very vague claims someone said something and when i do show the complaint is just standard Roosian wolf whistling you ignore the facts and rant on.

    The most pugnacious ambassador to the UN was Bolton, who makes Rice seem like a Pussy cat. You can't bury the past just because it blows your complaints out of the water. To the Right Wing France is no ally but the butt of 99% of the surrender jokes. To the Right Wing Russia is an enemy on the rise, not an ally. To the Right Wing most of the Muslim world is a hot mess that needs to move into the 19th century before we can deal with them- well we can still exploit their oil...
    Well that was just like your strange tale about the Russians.

    Besides you deflection about Bolton doesn't hold any Water compared to Rice. Also you didn't have anything about the Russians other than that Hot Air you toot. Clearly you were not aware of what was taking place with the Security Council.

    I can't help it you didn't pay attention to Rice with Libya and the French. I am not surprised you didn't pay attention when Rice forced Clinton to do a 180 on her remarks. Then the MS media Reported it. Its not my fault that you don't know anything about Susan Rice other than What your Masters tell you.


    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...-record-at-un/

    Here lets start with Fox news So ya can cry and Whine about them first.

    Rice’s diplomatic failures and silence in the face of outrageous UN antics have given the United States pathetic representation among the 193 members of the world body. UN members, not surprisingly, prefer a weak opponent. Rice is therefore popular with her colleagues. It may explain why she ignored Syria’s growing problems for months.

    Speaking out and challenging the status quo is seldom cheered at the UN. Her slow and timid response left the United States at the mercy of Russia and China, who ultimately vetoed a watered down resolution an unprecedented three times.

    Ironically, Rice was very critical of the US’s performance at the UN under President George W. Bush and vowed to build better relationships with every country. In her current stump speech Rice claims with a straight face that her goal has been accomplished, “We’ve repaired frayed relations with countries around the world. We’ve ended needless American isolation on a wide range of issues. And as a consequence, we've gotten strong cooperation on things that matter most to our national security interest.

    She skipped Security Council meetings when Israel needed defending and even failed to show up for the emergency session on the Gaza Flotilla incident.

    Rice didn’t even show up for the first two emergency Security Council meetings on the unfolding Arab Spring revolution last year. Rice stayed silent when Iran was elected to the U.N. women’s committee, she didn’t call out Libya when it was elected to the Human Rights Council, she was absent from the Haiti crisis meeting and was a no-show for the last open meeting scheduled before the planned UN vote to recognize Palestinian statehood. When she actually does show up, she is a miserable failure.

    Take the crucial issue of Iran. Rice spent the last several years undermining and grumbling about the Bush administration’s increasingly tough measures but has only been able to pass one resolution of her own – compared with the Bush team’s five.

    Richard Grenell served as the spokesman for 4 U.S. Ambassadors to the U.N. including John Negroponte, John Danforth, John Bolton and Zalmay Khalilzad. He currently writes from Los Angeles where his pieces can be seen at Richard Grenell | without the filter. Follow him on Twitter@RichardGrenell.

    Read more: Susan Rice's miserable record at the UN | Fox News

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    Re: Susan Rice to replace Donilon as national security adviser

    Susan Rice is Bad News for Africa

    http://www.blackagendareport.com/con...ad-news-africa

    Rice is a proponent of so-called "humanitarian military intervention" - but supports a U.S. Somalia policy that created "Africa's worst humanitarian crisis," according to the United Nations.

    There is every reason to believe she will counsel the next president to continue George Bush's policies in the Horn of Africa. In January, 2007, while Ethiopian troops attempted to crush Islamists who had brought a brief period of relative peace and stability to Somalia, and U.S. air and sea forces pounded the countryside with missiles and bombs, Rice revealed herself to be an apostle of George Bush's War on Somalia (and the so-called War on Terror in general). Rice told the PBS News Hour that U.S. collaboration with the Ethiopian invaders was justified by what she called America's "counterterrorism imperatives," which she said "really are real in the context of Somalia." In Rice's words, "We have to go after the terrorist cells where we find them."

    On Darfur, Rice is more bellicose than Bush."

    The "humanitarian" component of Susan Rice's militarism is quite selective.

    She has long been a super-hawk on punishing Sudan for its behavior in Darfur. Back in October, 2006, Rice declared, "It's time to get tough" with the government in Khartoum." In a Washington Post column, she advised the Bush regime to give Sudan "an ultimatum: accept unconditional deployment of the U.N. force within one week or face military consequences."

    On Darfur, Rice is more bellicose than Bush. She sees no contradiction in calling for military action against Sudan, supposedly to end a "humanitarian crisis" in Darfur, while simultaneously backing a savage U.S.-Ethiopian assault that causes an even larger humanitarian calamity in Somalia. Rice claims to seek safety for civilians in Darfur, while supporting a total absence of security for Somali civilians. Darfur is a military/political convenience for "real-politic" operatives like Susan Rice. As Bruce Dixon wrote in his November 2007 BAR article, "If stopping genocide in Africa really was on the agenda, why the focus on Sudan with 200,000 to 400,000 dead rather than Congo with five million dead?" (See "Ten Reasons Why ‘Save Darfur' is a PR Scam to Justify the Next US Oil and Resource Wars in Africa.")

    Rice's behavior in Africa has always been morally inconsistent. She was a member of Bill Clinton's National Security Council during the 1994 Rwandan genocide against the Tutsi minority. Later, she "swore" she would go "down in flames" if necessary to prevent future genocides. But after her promotion to Assistant Secretary of State for Africa, she failed to publicly advocate action against U.S. allies Uganda and by then Tutsi-ruled Rwanda - the main perpetrators in an ongoing war that his killed millions.

    Rice embraces a policy that causes mass death and starvation in Somalia and ongoing genocide in Congo.....snip~

    http://www.blackagendareport.com/con...ad-news-africa

    Indeed there is so much out there that NeverGetsRight Just can't seem to find anything.....huh?
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    Re: Susan Rice to replace Donilon as national security adviser

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, if I read you correctly here, it is a standard progressive, 'nothing to see here, move on'... No accountability, other than lip service....right?



    We need strong leadership in the world. Freedom of millions depends on it.



    You are quite wrong. France is an ally.



    There is something really backwards in your thinking if you believe that Russia is a true ally, and France is not.



    That is true, unless you'd like to explain to me what you think sitting down a table across from a radical enemy of anyone not adhering to the same warped belief system as they believe would accomplish.



    We'd love to drill our own, are you on board?

    Yep JM that's pretty much it.....especially when they cant even look up what is already commonly known.

    Damn just how many meeting did she miss with the Security Council? Seems Lavrov had some people siding with him on the Council huh?

    Myself.....I think you can tell by her Reptilian Features.

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    Re: Susan Rice to replace Donilon as national security adviser

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, if I read you correctly here, it is a standard progressive, 'nothing to see here, move on'... No accountability, other than lip service....right? We need strong leadership in the world. Freedom of millions depends on it. You are quite wrong. France is an ally. There is something really backwards in your thinking if you believe that Russia is a true ally, and France is not. That is true, unless you'd like to explain to me what you think sitting down a table across from a radical enemy of anyone not adhering to the same warped belief system as they believe would accomplish. We'd love to drill our own, are you on board?
    No Sir, what i want is for MMC to do more than rant, I went and checked the 'russian complaint' and found it to be her being aggressive, something the Right LOVED about Bolton. We need strong leadership but not to be a bully, yet Rice being strong is now a bad thing according to MMC, pick one! France is an ally until she disagrees with us then our leadership mocks her with surrender jokes, freedom fries, reminders of WWII, and the wine boycott. (Did you not pay attention during BushII's Gulf War II?) Again it is MMC who is calling Russia an ally, while many other right wingers constantly attack Putin and Russia as 'threatening' us, with subs in the Gulf of Mexico and supporting Syria, attacking the former republic of Georgia.... some on the right wing flip flop so much they clack as they walk.

    Again MMC makes some vague claim the Muslims are complaining about Rice and THIS complaint is somehow one we should suddenly listen to after years of let those bastards figure it out for themselves.

    It is flip flopping to support a hate that defies logic.

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    Re: Susan Rice to replace Donilon as national security adviser

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Susan Rice is Bad News for Africa

    Susan Rice is Bad News for Africa | Black Agenda Report

    Rice is a proponent of so-called "humanitarian military intervention" - but supports a U.S. Somalia policy that created "Africa's worst humanitarian crisis," according to the United Nations.

    There is every reason to believe she will counsel the next president to continue George Bush's policies in the Horn of Africa. In January, 2007, while Ethiopian troops attempted to crush Islamists who had brought a brief period of relative peace and stability to Somalia, and U.S. air and sea forces pounded the countryside with missiles and bombs, Rice revealed herself to be an apostle of George Bush's War on Somalia (and the so-called War on Terror in general). Rice told the PBS News Hour that U.S. collaboration with the Ethiopian invaders was justified by what she called America's "counterterrorism imperatives," which she said "really are real in the context of Somalia." In Rice's words, "We have to go after the terrorist cells where we find them."

    On Darfur, Rice is more bellicose than Bush."

    The "humanitarian" component of Susan Rice's militarism is quite selective.

    She has long been a super-hawk on punishing Sudan for its behavior in Darfur. Back in October, 2006, Rice declared, "It's time to get tough" with the government in Khartoum." In a Washington Post column, she advised the Bush regime to give Sudan "an ultimatum: accept unconditional deployment of the U.N. force within one week or face military consequences."

    On Darfur, Rice is more bellicose than Bush. She sees no contradiction in calling for military action against Sudan, supposedly to end a "humanitarian crisis" in Darfur, while simultaneously backing a savage U.S.-Ethiopian assault that causes an even larger humanitarian calamity in Somalia. Rice claims to seek safety for civilians in Darfur, while supporting a total absence of security for Somali civilians. Darfur is a military/political convenience for "real-politic" operatives like Susan Rice. As Bruce Dixon wrote in his November 2007 BAR article, "If stopping genocide in Africa really was on the agenda, why the focus on Sudan with 200,000 to 400,000 dead rather than Congo with five million dead?" (See "Ten Reasons Why ‘Save Darfur' is a PR Scam to Justify the Next US Oil and Resource Wars in Africa.")

    Rice's behavior in Africa has always been morally inconsistent. She was a member of Bill Clinton's National Security Council during the 1994 Rwandan genocide against the Tutsi minority. Later, she "swore" she would go "down in flames" if necessary to prevent future genocides. But after her promotion to Assistant Secretary of State for Africa, she failed to publicly advocate action against U.S. allies Uganda and by then Tutsi-ruled Rwanda - the main perpetrators in an ongoing war that his killed millions.

    Rice embraces a policy that causes mass death and starvation in Somalia and ongoing genocide in Congo.....snip~

    Susan Rice is Bad News for Africa | Black Agenda Report

    Indeed there is so much out there that NeverGetsRight Just can't seem to find anything.....huh?
    Again she holds a position the Right Wing Radical should LOVE on the Sudan and instead some resort to quoting left leaning websites and THEIR concerns- that would be like me attacking a GOP leader for supporting increasing taxes on the wealthy...

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    Re: Susan Rice to replace Donilon as national security adviser

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    No Sir, what i want is for MMC to do more than rant, I went and checked the 'russian complaint' and found it to be her being aggressive, something the Right LOVED about Bolton. We need strong leadership but not to be a bully, yet Rice being strong is now a bad thing according to MMC, pick one! France is an ally until she disagrees with us then our leadership mocks her with surrender jokes, freedom fries, reminders of WWII, and the wine boycott. (Did you not pay attention during BushII's Gulf War II?) Again it is MMC who is calling Russia an ally, while many other right wingers constantly attack Putin and Russia as 'threatening' us, with subs in the Gulf of Mexico and supporting Syria, attacking the former republic of Georgia.... some on the right wing flip flop so much they clack as they walk.

    Again MMC makes some vague claim the Muslims are complaining about Rice and THIS complaint is somehow one we should suddenly listen to after years of let those bastards figure it out for themselves.

    It is flip flopping to support a hate that defies logic.
    I never said Russia Was an Ally....that is just another of your usual Misinterpretations or that Stupid **** of trying to think for me. Which really that is your Biggest mistake. Which you could never know what I was thinking. But don't worry One day you will finally figure that Stupid **** out.

    Now for your Usual Confusion. I stated Lavrov Mocked Rice on the Security Council. Course then Churkin jumped in. But that still doesn't Count other Western nations that were complaining about Rice.

    Diplomats on the 15-nation U.N. Security Council privately complain of Rice's aggressive negotiating tactics, describing her with terms like "undiplomatic" and "sometimes rather rude." They attributed some blunt language to Rice - "this is crap," "let's kill this" or "this is bull****."

    "She's got a sort of a cowboy-ish attitude," one Western diplomat said. "She has a tendency to treat other countries as mere (U.S.) subsidiaries."

    Two other diplomats - all three were male - supported this view.....snip~

    Susan Rice battles critics as abrasive style takes toll - Chicago Tribune

    Oooops.....Some more of what ya thought you knew about. Damn Wrong Again as your SCN so aptly points out. Course Rice has never been strong with anything I said. So there goes once again some more BS about you trying to think for me.

    I mean How many times do I have to prove you wrong. Just like I already did. Usually you run off once ya get shown that you as usual don't know what you are talking about. Might want to grap your RUNNING Shoes. That which you know so well.

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    Re: Susan Rice to replace Donilon as national security adviser

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Again she holds a position the Right Wing Radical should LOVE on the Sudan and instead some resort to quoting left leaning websites and THEIR concerns- that would be like me attacking a GOP leader for supporting increasing taxes on the wealthy...
    There goes you theory about Muslims. Makes your usual.....NotsoquiteRight self. The Norm for yaself.

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    Re: Susan Rice to replace Donilon as national security adviser

    Now That the deflection about Buuuuush has been rendered useless. The Muslims and their Complaints about Rice being brought on. I think we should Go Back to before Buuuuuush. Where Susan Rice got her Start.

    For Susan Rice, Benghazi Was Kenya 1998 Deja Vu

    For Susan Rice, Benghazi Was Kenya 1998 Deja Vu; Tanzania Too - Investors.com

    "Oh my", a Rhodes Scholar.....who turned out to be nothing more than a Major Screw Up for the United States of America. But I do think we have a Spot for her ON one of our Frontlines. Right where she likes all that Action.

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    Re: Susan Rice to replace Donilon as national security adviser

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    No Sir, what i want is for MMC to do more than rant, I went and checked the 'russian complaint' and found it to be her being aggressive, something the Right LOVED about Bolton. We need strong leadership but not to be a bully, yet Rice being strong is now a bad thing according to MMC, pick one! France is an ally until she disagrees with us then our leadership mocks her with surrender jokes, freedom fries, reminders of WWII, and the wine boycott. (Did you not pay attention during BushII's Gulf War II?) Again it is MMC who is calling Russia an ally, while many other right wingers constantly attack Putin and Russia as 'threatening' us, with subs in the Gulf of Mexico and supporting Syria, attacking the former republic of Georgia.... some on the right wing flip flop so much they clack as they walk.

    Again MMC makes some vague claim the Muslims are complaining about Rice and THIS complaint is somehow one we should suddenly listen to after years of let those bastards figure it out for themselves.

    It is flip flopping to support a hate that defies logic.

    With all due respect, I think you are either misreading the posting of MMC, or misrepresenting it all together ideologically.

    While strong leadership is preferable, the administrations message to date is one of weakness. Remember the old speech where Obama said that "we are exceptional only in the same way that England, Egypt, or Greece thinks themselves exceptional"? This was a clarion call at the beginning of Obama's term laying out that the US would no longer take the lead. In this world it is a dangerous world view.

    Look, we already see the effects of this type of "leadership" of lack of, in the terms of what Syria has become. Russia, and Iran are openly bolstering the Assad regime, aiding in the death of tens of thousands, while "red lines" are only a pre cursor to an academic study on the violation, and the displacement of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Syrians caught in the middle, to countries that can NOT handle the influx, and may cause their own downfall.

    Like it or not Obama, and Rice set this in motion with their apology tours, and appeasement of radical forces here and abroad, while with the other hand shuttling arms from Lybia to Syria that I think resulted in the death of an ambassador, and three patriotic Americans in Libya, with NO attempt to even try and save them, while they wrung their collective hands and sought to make up a phony story to cover their own ass, and apologize once again for feigned outrage that plays into political propaganda of our enemies in that region.

    Now, we are going to have a true radical leftist in that seat of the collection of Star Wars bar room scene rejects known as the feckless UN. Great! Powers is hostile to our only true ally in the region, Israel, while espousing that we send a military force to protect the Palestinians, I suppose as they lob indiscriminate missiles into Israeli elementary schools. New Town was an unbearable massacre, so much so that we must, just must do away with the 2nd amendment, but this sort of crap is justified? Why? Because a peoples right to exist is somehow unjust to the liars, and thieves of the UN collection of propaganda peddlers that all carry an agenda against such a small, persecuted people?

    It's all just such crap.
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