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    Re: Emails of top Obama appointees remain a mystery

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    It makes a huge difference, they were
    conducting government business on non-government servers which made their emails untraceable through FOIAs.
    Lol....the Obama administration has been rated as the worst in recent History when it comes to FOIA request.

    When the AP asked the Labor Dept, Obama's Labor Dept for the names of people that created these E-mail accounts the Labor Dept said " sure, we'll supply you the information you want, for a million bucks ".

    Cmon, Bush isn't the President. We actually have a real corrupt administration here, you need to wake up and stop apologizing for their criminal behaviour.

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    Re: Emails of top Obama appointees remain a mystery

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Actually his comparison fails because they are different controversies. This is a controversy because some had a separate, nonpublic email account. Bush's was a controversy because it was RNC mailboxes that operated under different rules than what the WH is supposed to for email control. In point of fact though, you can not be overly concerned about these email accounts, as long as they adhere to the law(and so far there is no real evidence otherwise), and still be outraged at what Bush's WH did with the email accounts and it would not be selective outrage because they are different situations.
    Correct, I jumped on that one too quickly, they weren't the same situation.

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    Re: Emails of top Obama appointees remain a mystery

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I have no problem with government employees having multiple email accounts as long as those accounts and their content are disclosed when subpoenaed or in compliance with a valid FOIA request. Government employees should comply with the same laws I have to comply with.
    How can an FOIA request ask for the contents of an email account that the requester doesn't know exists? Moreover ,how can they be sure of full compliance with their request if they don't know of the email accounts?

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    Re: Emails of top Obama appointees remain a mystery

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Can you show where the use of email alias are illegal in the government? Sure they complicate tracking a person's email, but I am not sure the use of them is illegal. The are doing governments business on government servers and that to me is what is important.

    Bush Administration Appointees Also Used 'Secret E-mail Addresses' | ThinkProgress

    The Associated Press reported Tuesday that some Obama administration officials utilize non-publicly listed e-mail addresses in addition to their publicly listed ones. But a ThinkProgress Freedom of Information Act request revealed that this common practice was also utilized by the George W. Bush administration and in no way shields those accounts from public records laws

    It's funny how the Democrats spend 8 years attacking Bush as a criminal, and then spend the last 5 years defending Obama as being no worse than Bush...

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    Re: Emails of top Obama appointees remain a mystery

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    How can an FOIA request ask for the contents of an email account that the requester doesn't know exists? Moreover ,how can they be sure of full compliance with their request if they don't know of the email accounts?
    You make two requests. The first request is for a list of all email addresses used by department personnel to conduct department business. The second is for the transcripts of those accounts.

    You will NEVER know that there aren't "secret" accounts unless you run some kind of op to flush them out. Even a request for all the email addresses listed on a given server won't give you accounts hosted by a third party. Your best bet in such a case would be to get enough information on one of the suspects to obtain a warrant and collect their computer(s).

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    Re: Emails of top Obama appointees remain a mystery

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This is complete Bull! It is corrupt, it is illegal, and it is further evidence that this administration cares very little about the law, or the peoples right to oversee their governments actions.
    Why should I get to know all email addresses of all political appointees? This is a case where I really don't care what the law may or may not say.

    Government officials have to conduct all business on these accounts. What kind of lunatic would make those addresses public? I have no problem forcing them to disclose their email accounts for a legitimate investigation, but for a generic FoI request?

    There's a phone book if you want to call. The offices are open if you want to visit. There's absolutely no need to provide email addresses which are only going to be used for email bombs.


    If anyone disagrees, just post your work email address.

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    Re: Emails of top Obama appointees remain a mystery

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    You make two requests. The first request is for a list of all email addresses used by department personnel to conduct department business. The second is for the transcripts of those accounts.

    You will NEVER know that there aren't "secret" accounts unless you run some kind of op to flush them out. Even a request for all the email addresses listed on a given server won't give you accounts hosted by a third party. Your best bet in such a case would be to get enough information on one of the suspects to obtain a warrant and collect their computer(s).
    Again, how can they hope to confirm that the list of the email addresses they receive is accurate when it's already known that the official uses secret email addresses? As far as I can tell from you and Pete the only criteria you use for that trust is the letter after the officials name.

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    Re: Emails of top Obama appointees remain a mystery

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Again, how can they hope to confirm that the list of the email addresses they receive is accurate when it's already known that the official uses secret email addresses? As far as I can tell from you and Pete the only criteria you use for that trust is the letter after the officials name.
    Like I said, you can't be sure but you have to remember that the issue isn't whether or not undisclosed email accounts are being used, it is whether or not there is active unlawful behavior going on. Simply having a third party email account isn't a problem. Using that account to facilitate breaking a law or circumventing an investigation is the problem. Because of that the first thing that needs to be done is to establish a clear case that criminal activity is occurring. Once that has been done then you can start a proper investigation. Up until the point that there is reasonable cause for an investigation everything else is a fishing expedition and fish have no obligation to bite.

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    Re: Emails of top Obama appointees remain a mystery

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It's funny how the Democrats spend 8 years attacking Bush as a criminal, and then spend the last 5 years defending Obama as being no worse than Bush...
    It is funny. It's also funny how the Republicans spent 8 years defending Bush and now attack Obama for doing the same things.


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    Re: Emails of top Obama appointees remain a mystery

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Like I said, you can't be sure but you have to remember that the issue isn't whether or not undisclosed email accounts are being used, it is whether or not there is active unlawful behavior going on. Simply having a third party email account isn't a problem. Using that account to facilitate breaking a law or circumventing an investigation is the problem. Because of that the first thing that needs to be done is to establish a clear case that criminal activity is occurring. Once that has been done then you can start a proper investigation. Up until the point that there is reasonable cause for an investigation everything else is a fishing expedition and fish have no obligation to bite.
    I'm not sure what a "third-party account" is. Define please? Here is what I have been told: If I log into my personal Yahoo account during work hours and using my employer's computer, my employer has a right to access that Yahoo account.

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