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Roy Hibbert Uses Gay Slur in Post Game Press Conference

It was a slur... faggot, queer, homo... all gay slurs. Yes, Collins came out as gay and is publicly known as a gay man. That doesn't give people the right to use insulting slurs about his sexuality, any more than being obviously black gives people the right to use insulting racial slurs... especially on television. Hibbert is a jerk. :shrug:
 
DiAnna said:
It was a slur... faggot, queer, homo... all gay slurs. Yes, Collins came out as gay and is publicly known as a gay man. That doesn't give people the right to use insulting slurs about his sexuality, any more than being obviously black gives people the right to use insulting racial slurs... especially on television. Hibbert is a jerk. :shrug:
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No one in this instance used a slur about his sexuality, AT ALL.

If you're going to call him a jerk, please....specify what statement he made that use a slur in reference to Collins?
 
When did the term "homo" become a slur ? Gays use the term all of the time. At least they do on the Left Coast and especially in West Hollywood.

It's bad enough that having a good old gay time no longer means that you had a fun time but today it means you spent the evening at a bath house.
 
vendur said:
Where/wgat is the exact phrase he said?

From my understanding he used it at the end of a comment, essentially saying what he said was not homosexual in nature. ie "i love michael joran, the greatest player of all time -- no homo.

It is not a slur in that context.
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Of course it is. Who would presume that he meant it in a personal relationship way? Like he's announcing his engagement live after game 6?? C'mon! There was no reason for the remark and thus it served as a pejorative.
 
ecofarm said:
Of course it is. Who would presume that he meant it in a personal relationship way? Like he's announcing his engagement live after game 6?? C'mon! There was no reason for the remark and thus it served as a pejorative.
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And people say "That's what she said" do so because there's literally a female they know that said those exact same words.
 
MaggieD said:
I see. So it was just a general insult. Kind of like he could have said, "LeBron James plays like a retard." Oh, then it's okay then.
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Its schoolyard stuff, jawing at an opposing team. If I knew I was going to be fined I would use much more colorful and creative metaphors.:mrgreen: Trash talking is an art form. I love art. He should have said, "LeBron James? That pansy ass fairy, retarded, hairy ass, monkey? He couldn't play ball even if he was opposed by hobbled zombie midgets." :angel?: People need to lighten up. Sticks and stones and all the rest that nursery rhyme.
 
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Zyphlin said:
No one in this instance used a slur about his sexuality, AT ALL.

If you're going to call him a jerk, please....specify what statement he made that use a slur in reference to Collins?
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Here is a snippet from the OP, which is what I was responding to:

MarineTpartier said:
... How is it okay for Jason Collins to proclaim his sexuality but not okay for Roy Hibbert to say what he said?
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Basically I stated that just Collins coming out as a homosexual does not give Hibbert the right to use a gay slur. I brought Collins' name in because the OP used his "coming out" as a justification why Hibbert had the right to use the term "homo".

When the other side says something, I don't believe it to be proper for the gay community and/or gay supporters to attempt to shame them or muzzle them.
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The "other side" objects to slurs such as homo, faggot, queer... I don't blame them. I call anyone who uses such disrespectful slurs a jerk, Hibbert included. The term "his sexuality" was also in response to the OP bringing in his name.
 
MaggieD said:
I see. So it was just a general insult. Kind of like he could have said, "LeBron James plays like a retard." Oh, then it's okay then.
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Oh, no, dear The R word just gets you a different group of Stepford people coming after you.
 
I suppose he said have added NTTAWWT? The thing is it's not for myself or anyone else to dictate what another can legitimately take offense to. If the 'humor' doesn't apply to you, well you aren't struggling to not internalize comments you've heard thousands of times to suggest that everything about your identity is wrong. In this case, the 'no homo' was unnecessary but not especially malicious either. If that was his goal, he could've done a lot worse. So i just roll my eyes at the stupidity of it, rather than get bent out of shape.

Having said that, falling back on this kind of language on a regular basis is a red flag that the speaker has the mind of a child. No friend of mine talks this way. I suspect he is a complete insensitive asshole in private if he's saying this at a press conference.
 
DiAnna said:
Here is a snippet from the OP, which is what I was responding to:

Basically I stated that just Collins coming out as a homosexual does not give Hibbert the right to use a gay slur. I brought Collins' name in because the OP used his "coming out" as a justification why Hibbert had the right to use the term "homo".
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Gotcha. That said, I get the OP's point. I think it's a bit hyperbolic, since just because one basketball player came out doesn't mean suddenly every statement with innuendo is going to make people assume a player is gay....but what he's basically saying is when you have players having to declare in press conferences that they're "gay", then it's a bit ridiculous to get upset with someone clarifying that a statement they said that could be taken to have a connotation in a homosexual way wasn't meant in that fashion.

Now, as I said...kind of a ridiculous point to make because it's rather hyperbolic, but I don't think it's so much a justification "Collins came out as gay, so players have a 'right' to say homo now!".
 
Zyphlin said:
then it's a bit ridiculous to get upset with someone clarifying that a statement they said that could be taken to have a connotation in a homosexual way wasn't meant in that fashion.
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Really? You think he needed to clarify? You were expecting him to announce his engagement to a fellow teammate?

That's absurd. The "no homo" was the same as "I don't mean this in a bad way, I mean it in a good way". It was a unnecessary, even if meant as a joke, and was clearly used in a pejorative sense as I just explained.
 
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ecofarm said:
Really? You think he needed to clarify? You were expecting him to announce his engagement to a fellow teammate?
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Not at all.

No more than I expect that someone saying "That's what she said" to try and express to me this really funny thing one of their friends literally said to them sometime.

It was a young guy making a joke about the fact that something he said had sexual innuendo of a particular type. Juvenile? Yes. Some horrible offensive slur on par with the "n-word" or an attempt to insult Lebron James by suggesting he's homosexual and that being a homosexual is bad? No.

That's absurd. The "no homo" was the same as "I don't mean that in a bad way, I mean it in a good way". It was a unnecessary, even if meant as a joke, and was clearly used in a pejorative sense as I just explained.
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Yes, you're absolutely right that it was a pejorative. That's different than a slur however. Yes, it is a joke clearly meant to show the individuals distaste over the notion that THEY were engaging in homosexual action.

I don't see anything wrong with that. I don't think there's anything wrong with a heterosexual person having a "distaste" with the notion of themselves having gay sex....just like I don't see anything wrong with a homosexual person having a distaste with the notion of themselves having straight sex. That the individual is straight, and thus would have a distaste to perform a gay act, is the basis of the joke. Not as a means of saying "GAYS ARE BAD".

Juvenile? Yes. Some big horrible offense, some slur, something on par with "nigger" as some have been suggesting? No.
 
Zyphlin said:
Not at all.

No more than I expect that someone saying "That's what she said" to try and express to me this really funny thing one of their friends literally said to them sometime.

It was a young guy making a joke about the fact that something he said had sexual innuendo of a particular type. Juvenile? Yes. Some horrible offensive slur on par with the "n-word" or an attempt to insult Lebron James by suggesting he's homosexual and that being a homosexual is bad? No.



Yes, you're absolutely right that it was a pejorative. That's different than a slur however. Yes, it is a joke clearly meant to show the individuals distaste over the notion that THEY were engaging in homosexual action.

I don't see anything wrong with that. I don't think there's anything wrong with a heterosexual person having a "distaste" with the notion of themselves having gay sex....just like I don't see anything wrong with a homosexual person having a distaste with the notion of themselves having straight sex. That the individual is straight, and thus would have a distaste to perform a gay act, is the basis of the joke. Not as a means of saying "GAYS ARE BAD".

Juvenile? Yes. Some big horrible offense, some slur, something on par with "nigger" as some have been suggesting? No.
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I'm not claiming that it was a homophobic tirade, and I don't think anyone is, at least anyone that has read the quote. Nonetheless, one can only interpret his remark as a pejorative and an unnecessary one. As he had another unfortunate (profanity laden) remark and said he didn't care about fines, an example was in order.
 
Verthaine said:
Isn't it kind of funny how some conservatives here are all of sudden taking the side of labor over the side of the business owners?
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Yeah and the same ones who love to gay bash at every opportunity, go figure. Just need one more of them who likes to post tirades of epic length to jump in (think you know who I mean).
 
Zyphlin said:
What quote are you reading? Because I'm OBVIOUSLY reading something different as I don't see anywhere that he used the term "homo" as an "insult toward" James.



This wasn't calling anyone gay, or insulting anyone for being gay, it was him making a statement that unintentionally could have some innuendo attached to it and qualified that the innuendo wasn't serious or intended.

Was it juvenile? Absolutely. Was it a "Slur", especially something you wantonly compare to Nigger? Absolutely not. Was it an "insult towards" Lebron James? Not at all. At best, it was a comment about the Heat as a team...and it was a COMPLIMENT, that they managed to cause Hibbard to get out of position.

Seriously, if someone was saying he said a juvenile, insensitive thing, that's one thing....but a "Slur?" Comparable to nigger? Insulting towards Lebron James? I think that's just a wonderful example of people immediately grabbing an issue and staking out an ideological position on it because that's the only way they see the world, regardless of facts or reality.
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Fair enough, I misread the quote. Regardless, he wasn't "expressing an unpopular opinion." He's not being singled out for expressing a Conservative POV.
 
Whats funny is the aftermath. People want to pretend this isnt a common occurrence, that people really are all wonderfully PC and that those attitudes and behaviors arent the norm. I just wish one of these days someone would amke a comment like that and then stand by it and dont rush to pretend it wasnt something he would normally say.

Meanwhile...as the world is aghast he said he wasnt "no homo"...there have been over 30 direct incidents of attacks and assaults on homosexuals in New York City alone, resulting in hospitalizations and even death. Woefully under reported...
 
VanceMack said:
Whats funny is the aftermath. People want to pretend this isnt a common occurrence, that people really are all wonderfully PC and that those attitudes and behaviors arent the norm. I just wish one of these days someone would amke a comment like that and then stand by it and dont rush to pretend it wasnt something he would normally say.

Meanwhile...as the world is aghast he said he wasnt "no homo"...there have been over 30 direct incidents of attacks and assaults on homosexuals in New York City alone, resulting in hospitalizations and even death. Woefully under reported...
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Why should the attacks be reported? They're obviously a common occurrence. But a big NBA star saying something stupid after Game 6 of the conference finals? Well, that doesn't happen every few hours.
 
MarineTpartier said:
If a thread has already been started about this, please merge this with it. However, I searched for one and did not see it.

This is an overreaction IMO. How is it okay for Jason Collins to proclaim his sexuality but not okay for Roy Hibbert to say what he said? The sexual preference of public figures is something that homosexuals use constantly to further their cause. When the other side says something, I don't believe it to be proper for the gay community and/or gay supporters to attempt to shame them or muzzle them. Simple as that.

Pacers center Roy Hibbert apologizes for gay slur, *reaches out to Jason Collins* - NY Daily News
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seems like a silly over reaction
 
rocket88 said:
Because insulting someone is not OK. For example - Do you think it's OK to say the n-word? Most people don't, and that's not even a liberal/conservative thing. Plus, he wasn't giving his opinion of Jason Collins as a person or as a ball player. He wasn't giving his opinion about homosexuality in general. He used the term "homo" as an insult toward LeBron James. Can you tell the difference?
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he said "no homo" which is a bit of a meme, more than a slur
 
If someone throws around their beliefs and sexuality they should expect others who disagree with them to actually practice free speech. In my opinion the reaction is purely stupid.
 
MaggieD said:
Time for some sensitivity training in the NBA. It's not okay.
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More likely its time for some un-sensitivity training, The fashion these days is for everyone to get upset if there is a possibility that someone, somewhere, might be offended. It's much like Victorianism at the turning of the 19th Century to the 20 Century. They felt they were being 'progressive' also.

So another basketball player was called a "homo". All that demonstrates is that the player who said it is ignorant, but when intelligence becomes the main criteria in professional sports we can expect the quality of the athletes to be severely lowered. I'm certain that the subject of the slur was man enough to take it.

My youngest son is Gay and if he heard that he would not find it offense, only stupid. We can't fine people for being unwittingly stupid for conversation however. That only creates bitterness, resentment, and drives the talk underground. This will most likely create more problems in the locker rooms rather than less. We're just not likely to hear about it.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
seems like a silly over reaction
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I would not take offense of someone called me a heterosexual. It's true and I can live with the truth. So can most Gays. In fact I never heard Gays protest about this, only heterosexuals.

It won't take long for these 'slurs' to become shopworn if they just get the eye rolling they deserve.
 
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