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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Uh, the article headline was "police can collect DNA from arrestees....." So as I was saying, yeah people who are arrested should be able to have their DNA swabbed just like they are fingerprinted and photographed.
    Sorry, should have said without warrant. Currently mail, email...even blood samples require warrants.

    I just am astounded that a so called libertarian favors warrantless searches.
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i agree. i'd probably support it if it were post-conviction, but anyone can be arrested for anything. it's a warrantless search.
    What's the point of taking a DNA sample after someone is convicted?

    Would you argue the same point about finger prints?
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    The police already have pretty good access to your DNA.

    They can go through your trash to find something with your hair or saliva on it. Similarly, they can hand you a cup of water during an interrogation, and get your DNA off the cup. Or, in one famous case, Seattle PD tricked a suspect into mailing them a letter that he sealed with his saliva. In these cases, you are abandoning property or an object that happens to have your DNA on it.
    In those cases they are using abandonment laws to get around the fourth amendment. We should no more tolerate such behavior than we should tolerate this ruling.

    I don't see how people can see nothing wrong with the government tricking people into giving them their property. It's crazy to me.

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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Well, it is a complete dissembling of protections of privacy, without arrest the govt can collect the most private part of an individual.
    And I say, "good." *shrug*

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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I really don't see why they couldn't. Are they allowed to keep fingerprints of people who've been arrested and later had the charges dropped? If they are, the same kind of framework would also be admisible here.
    My point is, I don't know if they can, or can't; not familiar with what the law allows them to do.
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    And I say, "good." *shrug*

    Where can I volunteer mine?
    I really don't understand your position. You seem to be only interested in helping the state, but the constitution is not about helping the state, but the people.

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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Sorry, should have said without warrant. Currently mail, email...even blood samples require warrants.

    I just am astounded that a so called libertarian favors warrantless searches.
    I don't consider plucking a piece of hair or swabbing a tongue a warrentless search. Its not different then taking fingerprints imho.

    I lean libertarian, doesn't mean I submit to ideology for every little detail along the way.

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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I really don't understand your position. You seem to be only interested in helping the state, but the constitution is not about helping the state, but the people.
    I am interested in getting criminals off the street. I was completely unaware that was not in the best interests of "the people."
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Well, it is a complete dissembling of protections of privacy, without arrest the govt can collect the most private part of an individual.
    You do realize that the ruling pertains to people who have already been arrested. Right?
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    I don't consider plucking a piece of hair or swabbing a tongue a warrentless search. Its not different then taking fingerprints imho.

    I lean libertarian, doesn't mean I submit to ideology for every little detail along the way.
    "The Fourth Amendment has long been understood to mean that the police cannot search for evidence of a crime – and all nine justices agreed that DNA testing is a search – without individualized suspicion"

    It flies in the face of understood 4th Amendment protections.

    I'm with Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan and (gasp!) Scalia on this one.
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