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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    The attorney general makes a great case for being able to get a hit on previous cases, such as rape, by using DNA. Currently our rape prosecution statistics are appalling, so anything that makes it easier to try and convict rapists or other serious offenders is perfectly A-ok with me. Taking a swab of DNA is no different then using a fingerprint or a mugshot.
    You are not photographed or fingerprinted without arrest.

    For a libertarian, you have some funny views on privacy/4th Amendments rights.
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Fingerprint records aren't.
    In the UK, the police can take all of these samples and retain them indefinitely whether a person is convicted of a crime or not.

    Here in Canada, courts have ruled that people have the right to request that records be destroyed if charges did not result in a conviction.
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    They took my footprint. Parents often take and store DNA samples. It's just one more form of identification, in my opinion. No big deal.
    Prior to 18, your parents "owned" your rights, they gave permission.

    So many people just automatically make a freakin' deal out of things. It will help solve crimes. It will help identify bodies. It will establish paternity (taking babies' DNA, that is). They've taken fingerprints for years; nobody's dropped over dead because of it. Lighten up.
    You are mixing up parental rights and 4th Amendment rights of adults.
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Prior to 18, your parents "owned" your rights, they gave permission.

    You are mixing up parental rights and 4th Amendment rights of adults.
    Yes, I think you're right. My comparison was a bad one. My second paragraph, though, expresses my thoughts about the OP.
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    I do have another issue with this, and it's not necessarily related to crime, but let's say a person is arrested and a DNA sample is taken and it's discovered through testing that the individual has AIDS or some other communicable disease. What are the obligations morally/legally/public health wise to not only inform the individual but to also inform public health officials and other authorities or even that individual's immediate family? What is the liability if they don't?
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Can they already keep those records on file, if someone is falsely arrested?
    I really don't see why they couldn't. Are they allowed to keep fingerprints of people who've been arrested and later had the charges dropped? If they are, the same kind of framework would also be admisible here.
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You are not photographed or fingerprinted without arrest.

    For a libertarian, you have some funny views on privacy/4th Amendments rights.
    Uh, the article headline was "police can collect DNA from arrestees....." So as I was saying, yeah people who are arrested should be able to have their DNA swabbed just like they are fingerprinted and photographed.

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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yes, I think you're right. My comparison was a bad one. My second paragraph, though, expresses my thoughts about the OP.
    Well, it is a complete dissembling of protections of privacy, without arrest the govt can collect the most private part of an individual.
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This is a violation of 4th amendment and 5th amendment rights.Swabbing for DNA is a search and it is basically forcing someone to testify against themselves. An arrest doesn't equal guilt.You are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a criminal court of law.Innocent people should not have their constitutional rights violated without a warrant.
    i agree. i'd probably support it if it were post-conviction, but anyone can be arrested for anything. it's a warrantless search.

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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You are not photographed or fingerprinted without arrest.

    For a libertarian, you have some funny views on privacy/4th Amendments rights.
    The court ruling concerns the taking of DNA samples on arrest, too. What's your point?
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