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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    There's two sides of the fence on this thing, the way I see it. I understand the "rights" side and self incrimination, etc...

    However, I must admit...if a crime was committed against me or a member of my family...and they had managed to gather some DNA evidence that belonged to the perpetrator, and that said individual was brought to justice because they found a match after arresting the bastard, then I would be pretty okay with it.

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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So would fingerprints. But, like fingerprints, DNA is physical evidence and is open game when someone is arrested.
    It's only accessible, under a warrant, in the furtherance of a specific investigation - not to tag a person for future and/or other crimes committed or to be committed in the future.

    Everyone who values personal privacy, innocence until proven guilty, protection against self-incrimination, etc. should be careful about making police work too easy.
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    What's the rule in Canada?

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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It's only accessible, under a warrant, in the furtherance of a specific investigation - not to tag a person for future and/or other crimes committed or to be committed in the future.

    Everyone who values personal privacy, innocence until proven guilty, protection against self-incrimination, etc. should be careful about making police work too easy.
    By that logic, fingerprints should only be accessible under a warrant. We can't have it both ways, is my point.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    By that logic, fingerprints should only be accessible under a warrant. We can't have it both ways, is my point.
    Agreed, but DNA carries a great deal more information than fingerprints.

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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    By that logic, fingerprints should only be accessible under a warrant. We can't have it both ways, is my point.
    Perhaps every citizen should be finger printed, swabbed and photographed from every angle and entered into a database for future crime tracking. Why should only the guy who may have been falsely arrested, or arrested by mistake, be exposed to the full monty and not every other citizen of the country? Maybe the police suspect a guy of some crime and so they arrest him for jay-walking and then give him the full treatment in the hopes of snagging him on the bigger charge. It sounds like a great boon for police in fighting crime but police have courts as a check to ensure they don't abuse their power - this is just another erosion of those checks.
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    What's the rule in Canada?
    In Canada, only after conviction of a crime is it legal for police to take a DNA sample and they don't take it in all cases - it's about 50% in serious offenses and 20% in less serious ones.
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    If I'm reading the decision correctly, it's limited to felony arrests. So unless your hypothetical protestor assaults a cop or shatters a shop window, they won't get swabbed.
    Simple Assault on Law Enforcement isn't even a felony... nor is the mere act of shattering a shop window with no intent or purpose to go inside to steal stuff.
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Perhaps every citizen should be finger printed, swabbed and photographed from every angle and entered into a database for future crime tracking. Why should only the guy who may have been falsely arrested, or arrested by mistake, be exposed to the full monty and not every other citizen of the country? Maybe the police suspect a guy of some crime and so they arrest him for jay-walking and then give him the full treatment in the hopes of snagging him on the bigger charge. It sounds like a great boon for police in fighting crime but police have courts as a check to ensure they don't abuse their power - this is just another erosion of those checks.
    Simple solution: those people's records should be destroyed. It may already be that way; I don't know.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    In Canada, only after conviction of a crime is it legal for police to take a DNA sample and they don't take it in all cases - it's about 50% in serious offenses and 20% in less serious ones.
    That makes DNA sampling purdy much useless.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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