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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, and I'm saying that does not it is violation of their rights if you were to take their fingerprints or DNA without their consent. The person with Alzheimers does not need their DNA or fingerprints taken for treatment and therefore there is no reason to act towards them and therefore no right to do so.
    How do you know there is never a need for any person with Alzheimers to give their DNA or fingerprints and why would your decision be any more valid than the legal guardians?
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    The child may, in turn, reverse various decisions made by the parents. For example, the commercial DNA sequencing service "23andMe" will sequence a child's DNA. When the child reaches the age of majority, they can close the account and remove that individual's data.
    Which never happens nor is their any sort of guarantee the government will actually give up such information. Of course, you don't see any sort of problem with the government owning personal information about its citizens. You clearly have no understanding of privacy or of history.

    Btw, you of course have ownership towards your own body, just like the child owns theirs. It can be no other other way.

    Of course, all you listen to is the government, so talking to you is like screaming at cement and demanding it to not dry.
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    How do you know there is never a need for any person with Alzheimers to give their DNA or fingerprints and why would your decision be any more valid than the legal guardians?
    It is not medically necessary for such an action to be taken to treat Alzheimers. It's just some random activity you desire to take at that point.
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It is not medically necessary for such an action to be taken to treat Alzheimers. It's just some random activity you desire to take at that point.
    Really? So there will never be a potential treatment that requires the DNA of the patient to be known? And you know this how?
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Wow, this is baffling to me. The way I see it now police have the ability to carry out false arrests in order to gain possible information used later in trial. Isn't the point of an arrest that you already have enough evidence to connect the individual to the crime?
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    Really? So there will never be a potential treatment that requires the DNA of the patient to be known? And you know this how?
    If that day comes the treatment can be done, but I must stress it is paramount it be destroyed after use.

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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    not sure i support this one; there's a lot more info to be gleaned from DNA. thoughts on this decision?
    I've been thinking about this for a while, and I'm actually kind of excited about it. Allll those cold cases about to become hot. I can't help thinking this is a victory for the good guys.
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I've been thinking about this for a while, and I'm actually kind of excited about it. Allll those cold cases about to become hot. I can't help thinking this is a victory for the good guys.
    How in the world is this a victory for the good guys? They are forced to giving up their property to the state on arrest. There is nothing good about the state taking your property against you will, nothing.

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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How in the world is this a victory for the good guys? They are forced to giving up their property to the state on arrest. There is nothing good about the state taking your property against you will, nothing.
    Catching and incarcerating criminals is a good thing. Making it easier for law enforcement and tougher on criminals is a good thing. We've used fingerprints as a crime fighting tool for over a hundred years. This is just one more tool. Cold case criminals should be sleeping poorly right about now.
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Catching and incarcerating criminals is a good thing. Making it easier for law enforcement and tougher on criminals is a good thing. We've used fingerprints as a crime fighting tool for over a hundred years. This is just one more tool. Cold case criminals should be sleeping poorly right about now.
    People have owned personal property ever since the human race was created as they own their bodies, so I win the fight over who has been around longer. Furthermore, aggression against people is always bad and it doesn't make a bit of difference if something good comes out of it. It is still ethically wrong to take part in.

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