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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It is interesting that Alito and Breyer appear to be on opposite sides of where they usually would be. That's not a bad thing, in and of itself, but the decision is bad, in my view.

    Comparing DNA to finger prints and mug shots taken upon arrest is a real broadening of police powers - finger prints and mug shots are usually used only to verify the person arrested is who he/she claims to be, not for purposes of solving a crime by themselves.
    Awww, they about the same, except that DNA tells the authorities every single detail about how your body is built. Otherwise they're the same.
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    No I pointed out that parents make all the decisions for an infant. If they choose to let the child be fingerprinted then that is their right. That is all.
    There is limits to the rights of the parent. These rights are in part limited by the rights of the child. Please do not argue next that a child has no rights.

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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Awww, they about the same, except that DNA tells the authorities every single detail about how your body is built. Otherwise they're the same.
    I think you'd find, if you asked law enforcement, that finger prints and mug shots are taken primarily to see if the person is already in the system for some other crime and/or to check to see if they are in the system under a different name or persona. Most times charges do not rely on finger print or photo identity to prove the crime.
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Awww, they about the same, except that DNA tells the authorities every single detail about how your body is built. Otherwise they're the same.
    CODIS only uses 14 markers, 13 for identification and one to determine the sex. They're only storing a tiny fraction of a person's DNA. All that other data is completely superfluous to any law enforcement use anyway.

    So yes, the way they use it is, in fact, basically like fingerprints or photos -- just a great deal more accurate.

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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    There is limits to the rights of the parent. These rights are in part limited by the rights of the child. Please do not argue next that a child has no rights.
    Let me know the next time a 3 month old tell the doctors what they want done. Until then the parents speak for the child.
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    There is limits to the rights of the parent. These rights are in part limited by the rights of the child. Please do not argue next that a child has no rights.
    If a 15 yr old tries to commit suicide, and leaves a video note that says "Please do not try to resuscitate", whose wishes should prevail? Whose rights should prevail?
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    If a 15 yr old tries to commit suicide, and leaves a video note that says "Please do not try to resuscitate", whose wishes should prevail? Whose rights should prevail?
    ?? I'm not sure where the conflict lies. The child has a right to end their own life.

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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    CODIS only uses 14 markers, 13 for identification and one to determine the sex. They're only storing a tiny fraction of a person's DNA. All that other data is completely superfluous to any law enforcement use anyway.

    So yes, the way they use it is, in fact, basically like fingerprints or photos -- just a great deal more accurate.
    You need to do some research on biogenetics. Your dna includes your proclivity for developing certain diseases, mental disorders, genetic mutations, and a host of other medical issues.

    To say that it is the same as a fingerprint is ignorant.

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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    If a 15 yr old tries to commit suicide, and leaves a video note that says "Please do not try to resuscitate", whose wishes should prevail? Whose rights should prevail?
    The parents.

    A minor cannot create a legally valid living will. You have to be at least 18.

    Even if we were talking about an adult, a video like that almost certainly will not qualify as a living will, especially if it gets classified as part of a suicide note.

    If the parents want to record the DNA and/or fingerprints of their child, they may do so. They can even provide law enforcement with a DNA sample from their child, if they so choose.

    Children do have rights, but many of their decisions will be subordinate to the parents until the age of majority.

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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    The parents.

    A minor cannot create a legally valid living will. You have to be at least 18.

    Even if we were talking about an adult, a video like that almost certainly will not qualify as a living will, especially if it gets classified as part of a suicide note.

    If the parents want to record the DNA and/or fingerprints of their child, they may do so. They can even provide law enforcement with a DNA sample from their child, if they so choose.

    Children do have rights, but many of their decisions will be subordinate to the parents until the age of majority.
    So the parents can take their property from them by force and give it to someone else? Property I might add that is solely theirs and has no further connection with the mother. Why can people not understand that is an aggressive act on the parents part and has nothing to do with maintenance, guidance or health. This is the same kind of nonsense argument that people make when the father gives the daughter money and the mother just steals it all and spends it on herself.

    As for your prior claim, we all have the right to end our life and the only right the mother or father has is to try to convince them of otherwise or to revive them if permitted. This argument that parental rights is all reaching is complete and utter bull****.
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