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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

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    It is not for the parents to give away. It is the child's fingerprints which is a part of their body and it is their right to keep private if that is what they desire. Since they can not make that decision the proper course of action is to keep it private.
    No. By this reasoning a 6 yr old kid can choose to not go to school if they don't want to as that would be... to use libertarian buzzwords... "tyranny" and "slavery" () even though the kid's parents told them to. Parents get to make decisions for their kids until a specified age.
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    For those against the idea of collecting and storing DNA upon arrest... and I'm not necessarily against you... how do you feel about collecting and storing upon conviction?

    Does arrest vs conviction make a difference?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    not sure i support this one; there's a lot more info to be gleaned from DNA. thoughts on this decision?
    That is absolute crap. Being arrested is not a conviction. You could be arrested for a traffic violation and they can take your DNA??? Screw that.

    Also DNA can be used to convict you of a crime. They should need a warrant or probable cause. It's like taking away your right not to self incriminate.
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    For those against the idea of collecting and storing DNA upon arrest... and I'm not necessarily against you... how do you feel about collecting and storing upon conviction?

    Does arrest vs conviction make a difference?
    Conviction is OK, even a search warrant is OK. I mean for myself I don't care. In the military they took my DNA. So I am already on recorde no biggy. I just see this a a huge invasion of privacy without a conviction or volunteering for the military, police etc. Also as I said a legitimate search warrant.
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    No. By this reasoning a 6 yr old kid can choose to not go to school if they don't want to as that would be... to use libertarian buzzwords... "tyranny" and "slavery" () even though the kid's parents told them to. Parents get to make decisions for their kids until a specified age.
    That is a guidance issue, not a body sovereignty/privacy issue.

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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, rights are not trade offs.
    How so? I have the right to free speech, but I don't have the right to libel. There's a tradeoff. I have the right to carry arms, but I don't have the right to a machine gun. Unlimited rights are the same as no rights. In both cases, it's rule by the strong.

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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That is a guidance issue, not a body sovereignty/privacy issue.
    They cut off the tip of boys talleywhackers before they even know how big it will be and you're worrying about fingerprints!!!!
    There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences.
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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    How so? I have the right to free speech, but I don't have the right to libel. There's a tradeoff. I have the right to carry arms, but I don't have the right to a machine gun. Unlimited rights are the same as no rights. In both cases, it's rule by the strong.
    Both of your examples are poor. You can not violate the right of someone else with speech. No, I do not accept the idea that we should punish mental harms nor do I find the idea that someone has to not have to deal with character assassination as legitimate either. You do not have the right to not be insulted and you surely do not have the right for everyone to know everything about you that is truthful. You just have to learn to defend yourself and get a backbone.

    As for the second case, simply owning a certain types of gun does not violate the rights of anyone else, so clearly you have a right to such arms be that machine gun, an AR-15, or a glock. Simply owning an arm harms no one and acts towards no one. You might as well be saying that being gay causes everyone hardship. It's stupid.

    Rights only come into conflict. There is no sort of compromise where one person has to give up something for someone else's safety or peace of mind. This is not a trade-off of sorts, but an understanding of where rights end and where they begin.

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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    They cut off the tip of boys talleywhackers before they even know how big it will be and you're worrying about fingerprints!!!!
    You clearly are not at all familiar with my posting history. I advocate the banning of that practice all the time. Ask ChrisL all about it if you want. I'm a goddamn asshole when it comes to that issue.

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    Re: Court: Police can take DNA swabs from arrestees

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Both of your examples are poor. You can not violate the right of someone else with speech. No, I do not accept the idea that we should punish mental harms nor do I find the idea that someone has to not have to deal with character assassination as legitimate either. You do not have the right to not be insulted and you surely do not have the right for everyone to know everything about you that is truthful. You just have to learn to defend yourself and get a backbone.

    As for the second case, simply owning a certain types of gun does not violate the rights of anyone else, so clearly you have a right to such arms be that machine gun, an AR-15, or a glock. Simply owning an arm harms no one and acts towards no one. You might as well be saying that being gay causes everyone hardship. It's stupid.

    Rights only come into conflict. There is no sort of compromise where one person has to give up something for someone else's safety or peace of mind. This is not a trade-off of sorts, but an understanding of where rights end and where they begin.

    As I said, all rights involve tradeoffs. They're not absolute.

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