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    Re: The Free Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Young children don't get welfare. Their parents/guardians do. To me, false welfare claims should be severely punished and we should increase our generosity to those who are in dire need and show good faith.
    Sangha is correct. With the exception of aged, blind, and disabled cases there has to be dependent children in the household to qualify.
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    Re: The Free Lunch

    So now there are 2 of you making the same nonsensical claim. What part of household is eluding you? Are you really claiming the children DIRECTLY receive checks or cards?



    Quote Originally Posted by ELNOR View Post
    Sangha is correct. With the exception of aged, blind, and disabled cases there has to be dependent children in the household to qualify.

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    Re: The Free Lunch

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    Think thats kind of the point of picture. If you're able to accumulate that much form the monthly direct deposit, you clearly don't need the assistance. I like to see these cards zero-ed out as the monthly direct deposit is deposited. You shouldn't be able to "bank" public assistance. If you are, you're clearly getting too much. Frankly, I'd like them to bring the paper food stamps back.
    I agree that EBT surpluses should be either zeroed out or the surplus amount deducted from the next moth's allotment. Which couldn't be tracked if paper stamps were still used. Of course if this were the rule they'd just be sure to deplete it every month to avoid losing it. Like state agencies do at the end of each fiscal year. Another reason i feel we shouldnt go back to paper stamps is that there are a lot of hard working single parents below the Fed Poverty Level who depend on SNAP to supplement their food budget. Why subject them to the humiliation that paper stamps cause?
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    Re: The Free Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Are you being intentionally bizarre? "Young children" don't apply for welfare. The parents do on their behalf. The parents are (potentially) the deceptive ones, not the children.

    Since you are so experienced, provide a link that shows children receiving direct welfare benefits. Amaze me please.
    No, I'm being as honest as I can. I could easily insult both your intelligence and your honesty based on what you posted in this thread, but I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. But such license is not perpetual

    For example, you originally asked about who the recipients were, and now you've changed that to "direct recipients". Such changes do not change the fact that the majority of the money goes to supporting children. Arguing that things are done on "behalf" of children is merely arguing the mechanics, and not the meat of the matter. I have had arguments made by lawyers "on my behalf". That doesn't mean that I'm not the one who benefitted from those arguments.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: The Free Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    So now there are 2 of you making the same nonsensical claim. What part of household is eluding you? Are you really claiming the children DIRECTLY receive checks or cards?
    Lol no of course not. But children have to have a representative payee which is the parent. The parent doesn't receive medical and is not included in calculations of how much is received in SNAP or cash. Do some parent buy food and spend the cash on themselves? Yes. But how can you police that situation?
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    Re: The Free Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    So now there are 2 of you making the same nonsensical claim. What part of household is eluding you? Are you really claiming the children DIRECTLY receive checks or cards?
    Actually there some cases where mom gets med coverage as well and figured in SNAP calcs but it is becoming less and less the case. But if they do receive SNAP they have to be working, looking for work or in training for work. Bottom line is that there is fraud and always will be. But I'd rather feed and give med to kids knowing some adults are taking advantage rather than letting the kids starve and go without min med coverage. Wouldn't you?
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    Re: The Free Lunch

    Well, you're about at the end of my obtuseness tolerance as well so we both might want to carry from now on.

    My POINT is that it is NOT the children who are falsely claiming from welfare. It is the parents. How is this going over your head by such a large margin? If your imaginary lawyer got you a 50 year sentence for littering, who would be the one at fault? You - or your stupid lawyer?



    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, I'm being as honest as I can. I could easily insult both your intelligence and your honesty based on what you posted in this thread, but I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. But such license is not perpetual

    For example, you originally asked about who the recipients were, and now you've changed that to "direct recipients". Such changes do not change the fact that the majority of the money goes to supporting children. Arguing that things are done on "behalf" of children is merely arguing the mechanics, and not the meat of the matter. I have had arguments made by lawyers "on my behalf". That doesn't mean that I'm not the one who benefitted from those arguments.

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    Re: The Free Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Agreed. I hate stories like this as they are taking assistance away from people who actually need it.
    I saw one of her videos that's on the net. And to be fair she sure seemed pretty damned hungry to me.

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    Re: The Free Lunch

    Are you sure? Do the parents get zero and the money is 100% designated for the exclusive use of the children? I seriously doubt that.

    I met a hooker (not even classy enough to be an Escort) in MacDonalds last week. She told me she gets disability for her ADHD "but I'm OK now but as long as they don't know it I'll keep getting my check". She doesn't even have a child! What happened next is none of your business.

    You and your cohort, topless Sangha are playing semantics while America burns. In order to be able to help THOSE IN NEED without all the resulting discontent from those whoi pick up the tab, welfare recepients should be spied on just like the IRS spies on taxpayers. And they do (first hand info). They call it a "Lifestyle Audit" and they actually check out your business, your house, your car etc. to see if you are living within your declared means. It's not even the savings that would matter - it's the respect for the system.


    Quote Originally Posted by ELNOR View Post
    Lol no of course not. But children have to have a representative payee which is the parent. The parent doesn't receive medical and is not included in calculations of how much is received in SNAP or cash. Do some parent buy food and spend the cash on themselves? Yes. But how can you police that situation?

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    Re: The Free Lunch

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Well, you're about at the end of my obtuseness tolerance as well so we both might want to carry from now on.

    My POINT is that it is NOT the children who are falsely claiming from welfare. It is the parents. How is this going over your head by such a large margin? If your imaginary lawyer got you a 50 year sentence for littering, who would be the one at fault? You - or your stupid lawyer?
    It would be both our faults

    I understand your point, but you seem to think that I must adhere to addressing your points and not making any of my own. Sorry, but that is not how it works.

    You asked about how many liars received welfare. I answered that question, and then made *my* point - that most welfare recipients are young children. This is a well-established fact.

    Since then, you've gone on about people who lie when applying for benefits. Certainly, such people do exist. No one here has denied that.

    However, that doesn't change the fact that most welfare recipients are children - young children. I do not know why my mentioning this excites you so.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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