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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Why does Jay Carney still have his job? More to the point, where did he lose his self-respect?
    Only Obama knows why Carney is still around, like Holder. I believe that Carney lost his self-respect at one of those 157 Easter egg rolling events. I imagine Carney has all of his mirrors covered with black sheets.

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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    If it is so benign, all these visits, then why the arrogant response of being there for an "Easter egg roll"? The contempt shown in that response alone toward the committee charged with oversight is astonishing. I'd haul his ass back, and compel him to detail each visit, and the first dumb assed answer like "Easter egg roll" that he gave, I'd charge him with contempt, and attempting to mislead congress. Both are crimes.
    It appears as though you've been misled by Fox News.. From Shulman's testimony at the oversight committee:

    CONNOLLY: There might be many reasons you would be at the White House. What would be some of the reasons you might be at the White House?

    SHULMAN: The Easter egg roll with my kids.

    CONNOLLY: Well...

    SHULMAN: Questions about the administrability of tax policy.

    CONNOLLY: All right.

    SHULMAN: They were thinking of our budget -- us helping the Department of Education streamline application processes for financial aid...

    CONNOLLY: I just want to be clear. You're very aware of the fact that you're under oath today?

    SHULMAN: Yeah, very aware of that.

    CONNOLLY: And your testimony, to be very clear, in response to Mr. Jordan's question, is that you've -- you've never had any conversation with respect to this subject, the subject of this hearing, with anybody at the White House, though you were at the White House 118 times? Now, that -

    SHULMAN: Yeah, I mean, just so I'm -- just so I'm clear, I have no memory. Wouldn't have been appropriate. Would not have been appropriate to have a conversation with the White -- with anyone at the White House about the subject of discriminating against conservative groups in any part of our operation.

    Fox's Latest IRS Attack Debunked By Fox's Source | Blog | Media Matters for America


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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    It appears as though you've been misled by Fox News.. From Shulman's testimony at the oversight committee:

    CONNOLLY: There might be many reasons you would be at the White House. What would be some of the reasons you might be at the White House?

    SHULMAN: The Easter egg roll with my kids.

    CONNOLLY: Well...

    SHULMAN: Questions about the administrability of tax policy.

    CONNOLLY: All right.

    SHULMAN: They were thinking of our budget -- us helping the Department of Education streamline application processes for financial aid...

    CONNOLLY: I just want to be clear. You're very aware of the fact that you're under oath today?

    SHULMAN: Yeah, very aware of that.

    CONNOLLY: And your testimony, to be very clear, in response to Mr. Jordan's question, is that you've -- you've never had any conversation with respect to this subject, the subject of this hearing, with anybody at the White House, though you were at the White House 118 times? Now, that -

    SHULMAN: Yeah, I mean, just so I'm -- just so I'm clear, I have no memory. Wouldn't have been appropriate. Would not have been appropriate to have a conversation with the White -- with anyone at the White House about the subject of discriminating against conservative groups in any part of our operation.

    Fox's Latest IRS Attack Debunked By Fox's Source | Blog | Media Matters for America
    You and MediaMatters are still pushing the false impression that the IRS hasn't already admitted wrong-doing. That's pretty sad.

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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    You and MediaMatters are still pushing the false impression that the IRS hasn't already admitted wrong-doing. That's pretty sad.
    Where in my post have either Media Matters or I pushed that impression? The IRS has clearly has admitted wrong doing and I recognize that.


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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Where in my post have either Media Matters or I pushed that impression? The IRS has clearly has admitted wrong doing and I recognize that.
    Maybe you do, but the MediaMatters article you reference doesn't. "Following reports that the IRS inappropriately targeted conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status, Fox has attempted to link the Obama administration to the scandal, baselessly accusing the administration of continuing to use improper screening to scrutinize nonprofit groups and ignoring Obama's condemnation of the IRS' actions to justify calls for a special prosecutor to investigate the case." The IRS is inextricably linked to the administration, as are all cabinet functions, including Treasury. 157 visits to the WH would seem to document that fact. Fox has an agenda, but it doesn't include that which is patently obvious to everyone with a brain. Notice that the second word in the first sentence of that paragraph from MM is "reports". The institution has already admitted guilt, so it's hardly a report. Most of us just want the people that authorized that action to be removed, and that person or people reside within the administration somewhere, whether as IRS professionals or in some other capacity. There is no skirting it.

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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The reason for those visits is right in the link you gave...thanks.



    The AHC act was a top priority at that time.
    But of course it was a top priority.

    No question the actions taken to funnel precious money and resources to the thugs at the SEIU was a top priority. That takes planning and lots of meetings.

    For example, when the massive fraud of Andy's In-Home Support Services scam in California was exposed, all attempts to roll back the $5.6 billion program and install oversight were met with threats by the Obama Administration to withhold Federal Stimulus funds. After all, there was close to $80 million/yr in taxpayer funded union dues at stake.

    Can you say "doing his masters bidding"?

    SEIU may be linked to ultimatum on withholding stimulus funds - Los Angeles Times

    There have been lots of Top Priorities in the Obama Administration, but it's understandable why you would try to ignore what they really are.

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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Maybe you do, but the MediaMatters article you reference doesn't. "Following reports that the IRS inappropriately targeted conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status, Fox has attempted to link the Obama administration to the scandal, baselessly accusing the administration of continuing to use improper screening to scrutinize nonprofit groups and ignoring Obama's condemnation of the IRS' actions to justify calls for a special prosecutor to investigate the case." The IRS is inextricably linked to the administration, as are all cabinet functions, including Treasury. 157 visits to the WH would seem to document that fact. Fox has an agenda, but it doesn't include that which is patently obvious to everyone with a brain. Notice that the second word in the first sentence of that paragraph from MM is "reports". The institution has already admitted guilt, so it's hardly a report. Most of us just want the people that authorized that action to be removed, and that person or people reside within the administration somewhere, whether as IRS professionals or in some other capacity. There is no skirting it.
    Yes, they do. They provide a link in the following: "Following reports that the IRS inappropriately..."


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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Yes, they do. They provide a link in the following: "Following reports that the IRS inappropriately..."
    That's practically a foot note. The article is intentionally misleading, as are the queries directed at naming an illegality.

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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Only Obama knows why Carney is still around, like Holder. I believe that Carney lost his self-respect at one of those 157 Easter egg rolling events. I imagine Carney has all of his mirrors covered with black sheets.
    that's because white sheets make black people nervous, especially if they come with little hats ...

    but I agree, I think Obama would be better off without either one of them ...

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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Person of interest in the investigation of whether there was political direction to the IRS to target conservative groups. This starts with the list of those whom Shulman was visiting in the WH.
    Are the initials "VJ" a good guess?

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