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Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times [W:243]

Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Ok, and none of these would we know the actual goings on of the meetings without minutes, and transcripts...I'm just sayin', shady goings on are never in the open for everyone to see. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't be digging to make sure it was on the up and up.....

You mean like these "shady goings on"?
September 6, 2001 by Reuters
White House Refuses GAO Request for Documents on Cheney's Energy Task Force

Meetings that oil executives continued to lie about four years later

November 16, 2005
A White House document shows that executives from big oil companies met with Vice President Cheney's energy task force in 2001 -- something long suspected by environmentalists but denied as recently as last week by industry officials testifying before Congress.


Yeah, yeah - I know - "Bush did it first!" is no excuse, however it does show the hypocrisy of far too many on the right when they attack the President today but ignored similar or worse behaviour by their guy.

Also, please remember that the Bush Administration refused to release visitor logs completely.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

You mean like these "shady goings on"?
September 6, 2001 by Reuters
White House Refuses GAO Request for Documents on Cheney's Energy Task Force

Meetings that oil executives continued to lie about four years later




Yeah, yeah - I know - "Bush did it first!" is no excuse, however it does show the hypocrisy of far too many on the right when they attack the President today but ignored similar or worse behaviour by their guy.

Also, please remember that the Bush Administration refused to release visitor logs completely.

At what point do we say wrong is wrong regardless of who's political opponent did it first?
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

At what point do we say wrong is wrong regardless of who's political opponent did it first?

Please read my words ""Bush did it first!" is no excuse,"

If the Obama Administration had not changed the Bush policies on releasing information, in this instance, White House visitor logs, you and others who are attacking the President would have nothing. So as poor as Obama's people may have been in some matters, they are still behaving with more openness than the Bush Administration.

But for some reason, being "better than . . .", is still not good enuff for the absolutists.

In the case of the OP for this thread, we have already seen the claim totally destroyed and the O-haters have moved on to other claims. Seems to happen a lot to them.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Please read my words ""Bush did it first!" is no excuse,"

If the Obama Administration had not changed the Bush policies on releasing information, in this instance, White House visitor logs, you and others who are attacking the President would have nothing. So as poor as Obama's people may have been in some matters, they are still behaving with more openness than the Bush Administration.

But for some reason, being "better than . . .", is still not good enuff for the absolutists.

In the case of the OP for this thread, we have already seen the claim totally destroyed and the O-haters have moved on to other claims. Seems to happen a lot to them.

Oh please....It is laughable to think that Bush, or any other Republican would have done this to the extent this administration is doing it now....In any case, Obama made specific promises about this sort of thing, and has utterly failed, yet supporters still cling to the claim that Obama is being more open, and transparent....Amazing...What drive this sort of blind loyalty?
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Oh please....It is laughable to think that Bush, or any other Republican would have done this to the extent this administration is doing it now....In any case, Obama made specific promises about this sort of thing, and has utterly failed, yet supporters still cling to the claim that Obama is being more open, and transparent....Amazing...What drive this sort of blind loyalty?

You really refuse to accept reality but then - not unexpected as "reality does have a liberal bias"

July 2008 Citing ‘Lawsuits And Things,’ White House Refuses To Release Logs Of When Payne Took Clients To Meet Bush

So when Barack Obama comes into office, his Administration continues what had become standard practice

July 2009
Obama blocks list of visitors to White House

The Obama administration is fighting to block access to names of visitors to the White House, taking up the Bush administration argument that a president doesn't have to reveal who comes calling to influence policy decisions.

Despite President Barack Obama's pledge to introduce a new era of transparency to Washington, and despite two rulings by a federal judge that the records are public, the Secret Service has denied msnbc.com's request for the names of all White House visitors from Jan. 20 to the present.

But there is something a little different with the Obama people, they seem to listen to complaints a bit more than those other guys

Sept 2009
Visitor Access Records

As part of President Obama's commitment to government transparency, we are providing records of White House visitors on an ongoing basis online. In December 2009, we will begin posting all White House visitor records for the period from September 15th onwards under the terms of our new voluntary disclosure policy. In addition, as part of our new policy, we will post records dating from January 20th that are specifically requested on an ongoing basis. For more information, read the White House blog post announcing the new policy.


So in the minds of righties, the President releasing the visitor logs after months of complaints is less than what " Bush, or any other Republican would have done" even though the Bush Administration refused to release ANY visitor logs in the eight years they were in office.


Oh, j-mac Alexis de Tocqueville never wrote the words you use in your sig - just thought you would like to know.

This misquote apparently comes from the following passage in Democracy in America, Vol 1, Chap III, Pt 1
There is, in fact, a manly and lawful passion for equality which excites
men to wish all to be powerful and honored. This passion tends to
elevate the humble to the rank of the great; but there exists also in
the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak
to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level, and reduces men to
prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

So are you guys trying to say he met with the POTUS all those times to talk about harassing those who drink tea in small happy little groups?
Ok, and none of these would we know the actual goings on of the meetings without minutes, and transcripts...I'm just sayin', shady goings on are never in the open for everyone to see. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't be digging to make sure it was on the up and up.....
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

You really refuse to accept reality but then - not unexpected as "reality does have a liberal bias"

July 2008 Citing ‘Lawsuits And Things,’ White House Refuses To Release Logs Of When Payne Took Clients To Meet Bush

So when Barack Obama comes into office, his Administration continues what had become standard practice

July 2009

But there is something a little different with the Obama people, they seem to listen to complaints a bit more than those other guys

Sept 2009


So in the minds of righties, the President releasing the visitor logs after months of complaints is less than what " Bush, or any other Republican would have done" even though the Bush Administration refused to release ANY visitor logs in the eight years they were in office.


Oh, j-mac Alexis de Tocqueville never wrote the words you use in your sig - just thought you would like to know.

This misquote apparently comes from the following passage in Democracy in America, Vol 1, Chap III, Pt 1

Isn't it funny how think progress was all over Bush for "allowing access" and in full defense mode on this scandal which is apples to oranges....

And of those whom defend this President by continuing to say that there is nothing to see here, and yes, even some who think that it was perfectly fine to use the IRS to go after political enemies as long as it is their guy doing it, the schoolyard excuse of "well, Jimmy did it first" is lame dude....You can do better I hope.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

So are you guys trying to say he met with the POTUS all those times to talk about harassing those who drink tea in small happy little groups?

No, that is not what I am saying at all. Clearly you have only been reading what you want to see.

My theory so far is that the leader of the NTEU met with Obama, and the day after that this practice started in earnest....

Please keep up.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Isn't it funny how think progress was all over Bush for "allowing access" and in full defense mode on this scandal which is apples to oranges....

And of those whom defend this President by continuing to say that there is nothing to see here, and yes, even some who think that it was perfectly fine to use the IRS to go after political enemies as long as it is their guy doing it, the schoolyard excuse of "well, Jimmy did it first" is lame dude....You can do better I hope.


All I got is -- You can do better I hope -- 'cause you didn't even attempt to respond to the points I made.

ThinkProgress was in "full defense mode" over the latest "scandal' - really?

So far, there has been "nothing to see"

I've already posted that using "Bush did it first" is not an excuse in post #176


The point that the right in their on-going efforts to find something, anything to destroy the Obama Presidency fails, or refuses, to acknowledge is the reality that most of these groups that were being investigated were quite open in their statements about ignoring the regulations as they apply to 501 C 4 groups. One of the biggest benefactors of the Citizens United ruling, Karl Rove even bragged about his exploitation of the tax exemptions -
Question, Senator -- why single out Crossroads when you did not mention one single liberal group, and there were a bunch that were applying for that exempt-status exactly that point, with the name "progress" in their names?

DURBIN: I can just tell you flat out why I did it, because that Crossroads organization was boasting about the money they were raising as a 501(c)(4).

Let's get back to the basics. Citizens United really unleashed hundreds, if not thousands, of organizations seeking tax-exempt statuses to play in political campaigns. The law we wrote as Congress said that they had to exclusively be engaged in social welfare and not politics and campaigning.

And so, here is the IRS trying to decide whether or not these organizations really comply with the law. Crossroads was exhibit A. They were boastful about how much the money they were going to raise and beat Democrats.

Colbert explains Rove’s ‘money laundering’ scheme
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

No, that is not what I am saying at all. Clearly you have only been reading what you want to see.

My theory so far is that the leader of the NTEU met with Obama, and the day after that this practice started in earnest....

Please keep up.

Obama didn't even meet Shulman in the year that the IRS started targeting Tea Party groups. That happened in the early part of 2010 and Obama never had an appointment with Obama in that year.

Shulman was in the WH 10 times after Citizens United was decided and the IRS started their scrutiny but on all but 2 of those occasions Obama was busy at the time of the meetings or even out of the WH.

And that is my whole issue with the Healty Skeptical approach of government and conspiracy thinking because this kind of a statement belongs with an approach in which one expects the worst possible behavior of one's own government at all times even when there is zero evidence of that actually happening.

This kind of thinking is often (don't know if that is the case with you J-Mac but I have seen it in a lot of other people) related to whether the president in the WH is one of your own party/political point of view or not.

I have seen liberals foaming at the mouth much more often in the Bush years than in the Clinton or Obama years and vice versa with conservatives who have been foaming at the mouth with almost everything that happens in this administration, so I have a sneaking suspicion that for a lot of these conspiracy theorists it is mostly down to a member of the opposing party being in the white house.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

All I got is -- You can do better I hope -- 'cause you didn't even attempt to respond to the points I made.

Make some relevant points and I'll respond.

ThinkProgress was in "full defense mode" over the latest "scandal' - really?

That's what I see.

So far, there has been "nothing to see"

Maybe if one is blind...

I've already posted that using "Bush did it first" is not an excuse in post #176

Yet you continue to do it.

The point that the right in their on-going efforts to find something, anything to destroy the Obama Presidency fails, or refuses, to acknowledge is the reality that most of these groups that were being investigated were quite open in their statements about ignoring the regulations as they apply to 501 C 4 groups. One of the biggest benefactors of the Citizens United ruling, Karl Rove even bragged about his exploitation of the tax exemptions -

Durbin is one of the biggest hacks of all. As I pointed out already in another thread, from the IRS's own rules on these things, c-4's can absolutely engage in political advocacy...The so called "social welfare" aspect is a farce....

It is intentionally vague...So much so that in the IRS's own explanation of what it means it says this:

"There is no official Congressional or Service pronouncement construing the
terms "civic league" or "social welfare" as embodied in section 501(c)(4)."

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopicg81.pdf

So, give it up man, it's weak. The IRS was wrong, so much so that they tried to get out ahead of what was to be revealed in the IG report by apologizing for the wrongdoing and hoping that people would just ignore it....Too bad, as many authoritarian progressive banana republic dictators often do, this one ****ed up, and now will be exposed for the unamerican hack he is.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

j-mac said:
My theory so far is that the leader of the NTEU met with Obama, and the day after that this practice started in earnest....


Obama didn't even meet Shulman in the year that the IRS started targeting Tea Party groups.

And there it is, first sentence, and you prove my exact point...Thanks for playin'
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

You really refuse to accept reality but then
- not unexpected as "reality does have

a liberal bias"

July 2008 Citing ‘Lawsuits And Things,’ White House Refuses To Release Logs Of When Payne Took Clients To Meet Bush

So when Barack Obama comes into office, his Administration continues what had become standard practice

July 2009

But there is something a little different with the Obama people, they seem to listen to complaints a bit more than those other guys

Sept 2009


So in the minds of righties, the President releasing the visitor logs after months of complaints is less than what " Bush, or any other Republican would have done" even though the Bush Administration refused to release ANY visitor logs in the eight years they were in office.


Oh, j-mac Alexis de Tocqueville never wrote the words you use in your sig - just thought you would like to know.

This misquote apparently comes from the following passage in Democracy in America, Vol 1, Chap III, Pt 1

Obama's admin has been accused of being the worst in modern History when it comes to Freedom of Information Request by Washington attorneys.

They lead all previous administrations on the prosecution of Whistle Blowers and even has exceeded all precedent by criminally charging a reporter just to get access to his E-mail.

It took 3 tries of course before they could find a judge corrupt enough to sign a warrant.

That recent AG meeting that came with conditions was laughable.

Just like your regretable assertion that his administration is " transparent."

Does that transparency include perjury ?
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Make some relevant points and I'll respond.




That's what I see.



Maybe if one is blind...



Yet you continue to do it.



Durbin is one of the biggest hacks of all. As I pointed out already in another thread, from the IRS's own rules on these things, c-4's can absolutely engage in political advocacy...The so called "social welfare" aspect is a farce....

It is intentionally vague...So much so that in the IRS's own explanation of what it means it says this:

"There is no official Congressional or Service pronouncement construing the
terms "civic league" or "social welfare" as embodied in section 501(c)(4)."

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopicg81.pdf

So, give it up man, it's weak. The IRS was wrong, so much so that they tried to get out ahead of what was to be revealed in the IG report by apologizing for the wrongdoing and hoping that people would just ignore it....Too bad, as many authoritarian progressive banana republic dictators often do, this one ****ed up, and now will be exposed for the unamerican hack he is.

This is more than un-American, it's just flat out Crimnal.

I love watching the Libz desperately trying to save their ass on this and other forums.

Hey guys, you elected low lifes, what did you expect ? Hell, anyone could take one look at Axelrod and see a kniving seedy greasy low life instantly.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Somerville said:
Oh, j-mac Alexis de Tocqueville never wrote the words you use in your sig - just thought you would like to know.

This misquote apparently comes from the following passage in Democracy in America, Vol 1, Chap III, Pt 1

Oh, by all means I guess that means that you win the argument....What the hell does this have to do with the topic?
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

This is more than un-American, it's just flat out Crimnal.

I love watching the Libz desperately trying to save their ass on this and other forums.

Hey guys, you elected low lifes, what did you expect ? Hell, anyone could take one look at Axelrod and see a kniving seedy greasy low life instantly.

Axlerod is just another run of the mill communist....

David M. Axelrod was born February 22, 1955, to Myril Bennett Axelrod (who worked for PM, a leftist New York newspaper whose ranks were penetrated by communists seeking to advance the Stalinist line) and Joseph Axelrod (a psychologist who committed suicide in 1974). David would later describe his parents as “your classic New York leftist Democrats.” He grew up in Manhattan and, from an early age, engaged passionately in politics. At age ten, he canvassed for New York mayoral candidate John Lindsay (a Democrat); when he was thirteen, he sold campaign buttons and bumper stickers promoting Robert Kennedy for President.

Axelrod graduated from New York's Stuyvesant High School in June 1972 and enrolled, that fall, at the University of Chicago, where he majored in political science and wrote for the student newspaper. In late 1973 or early 1974, he secured a job as a political columnist for the Hyde Park Herald, a local weekly newspaper. His work at the Herald caught the attention of two particularly noteworthy individuals, David Canter and Don Rose:

David Canter (1923-2004) was the son of Harry Jacob Canter, a lifelong communist who: served as secretary of the Boston Communist Party; ran for governor of Massachusetts on the Communist Party ticket in 1930; earned a special invitation to Joseph Stalin's USSR in 1932; worked in Moscow as an official translator of Lenin's writings; and later taught at the Abraham Lincoln School, an infamous Chicago-based front that indoctrinated students in the teachings of Marx and Lenin. Like his father, David Canter was also a lifelong communist. He was educated in Stalin's Soviet Union from 1932-37, before returning with his family to the United States. He later became an attorney and developed ties to the National Lawyers Guild. In the Guide to Subversive Organizations and Publications, an exhaustive Congressional analysis compiled between 1955 and 1968, Canter's name appeared 25 times. On July 12, 1962, Canter was subpoenaed to testify before the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC), where he was questioned about the agendas of Translation World Publishers, the pro-Soviet, Soviet-subsidized publishing house he had co-created with LeRoy Wolins, a well-known communist. Canter refused to answer any HUAC questions about his past or present membership in the Communist Party USA (CPUSA).
Canter's associate, Don Rose (who is still alive), was never proven to be a CPUSA member. He was, however, a member of the National Mobilization Committee to End the War in Vietnam, an organization replete with communists and Sixties radicals. He also belonged to the Alliance to End Repression (a suspected Communist Party front), and he did some press work for the Students for a Democratic Society. In the 1960s, Rose and Canter collaborated to establish a far-left, pro-communist community newspaper called Hyde Park-Kenwood Voices, which echoed CPUSA propaganda.

David Axelrod - Discover the Networks
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

And there it is, first sentence, and you prove my exact point...Thanks for playin'

If you mean by playing state the facts as we know it? Then yes, I played and won. In 2010 Shulman did not have an appointment with Obama at the WH.

The odds on favorite for the timing of the IRS on focusing on Tea party groups asking for tax exempt status was the Citizens United Decision. That was a landmark decision to which the IRS overreacted and yes, they made the wrong choices at that moment but guess what, the IRS are civil servants and they should be neutral but in a country in which every public office seems to be a battle ground for politics rather than quality or competence, you get problems with political wrangling in what should not be political decision.

For example, A judge should be appointed on merit and competence, not on which political party he/she belongs to. But in a country in which the political process is so partisan and the constitution is never altered you need courts to rule on whether the new law, which was chosen by the people (or at least their chosen politicians) is not conflicting with the points of view of a group of people 230 years ago.

Now these people 230 years ago where a group of visionaries and extremely smart and competent people, but they have long gone and still what they wrote all that time ago has been deemed sacred almost and if it is not in accordance or in the spirit of what they wrote it gets struck down. And sadly that is mostly down to politics in this day and age because the judges are part of the political process. They are appointed or chosen based on more than just their competence.

In the Netherlands it is the politicians choice made by a competent majority of both chambers of our parliament that decides if a law is to be entered into the law books, not the judges.

If there is a change to the constitution, the most important document in our nation we do not turn to judges to agree or disagree with the changes, we ask the people of our country.

If a change to our constitution is proposed, both the first and second chamber of our parliament have to agree with a qualified majority (half plus 1). Then the second chamber is dissolved (normally when the parliament is dissolved anyway for election purposes once every 4 years). Then it is down to the voters, they elect a new parliament to decide again on the proposed constitutional changes but now it is not a qualified majority which must agree but a 2/3 majority in both chambers of parliament.

This way we can change our constitution by way of letting the people decide, not the courts. And by having 2 parliaments decide this and having the provision of 2/3 majority means that the will of the people is adhered to and that the constitution cannot be changed on a whim.

In the Netherlands the courts cannot strike a law from the constitution. The Dutch have never had such a provision because we do not want activist judges to make laws or strike laws, making laws in the Netherlands is seen as the sole responsibility of parliament.

The first Dutch constitution was from 1814 (after having freed ourselves from French occupation), major changes came in 1840 when the country split in 2 nations (Belgium and the Netherlands), 1848 in which the basis of our current parliamentary system was introduced and then there were only minor changes in the 145 years after that until in 1983 the entire constitution was re-drafted taking out ridiculous laws (like the law that forbade catholics from holy processions) and putting in laws that reflected the growth of the Dutch people from 1848. The death penalty was abolished, a national ombudsman was created, changes in the electoral system, protection against discrimination etc.

Our way of doing things protects us from activist judges, if should be the people who decide what the law means, not judges to interpret laws that can be explained in several ways. The law should not be so vague that it can be explained several ways and that judges decide how a law is supposed to be read.

You may not agree with my points of view, but it would be nice if the people could change some constitutional laws that do not work, or at least that is how I would feel.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

If you mean by playing state the facts as we know it? Then yes, I played and won. In 2010 Shulman did not have an appointment with Obama at the WH.

Good Lord man.....What was Shulman's title?
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Good Lord man.....What was Shulman's title?

Unfortunately not all the problems start at the top, sometimes they start at other parts within an organization. Sometimes the head of an organization isn't privy to the mistakes or illegal actions people below him make.

Now is Shulman responsible? Yes, he was the head of the IRS at the time and is ultimately responsible.

Is he culpable? In part, he was the head of the IRS but it does not mean he is knowledgeable of all that happens inside the organization.

Is he the reason for the targeting of the tea party applications? Doubtful to very unlikely IMHO because there is zero evidence to even suggest this. The WH visitor logs prove nothing towards this. With the Affordable Health Care tax laws in the making it is highly likely that the head of the department (and maybe even a tax expert) would visit the WH related offices/office buildings for meetings with people working on this and other tax laws.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Unfortunately not all the problems start at the top, sometimes they start at other parts within an organization. Sometimes the head of an organization isn't privy to the mistakes or illegal actions people below him make.

Now is Shulman responsible? Yes, he was the head of the IRS at the time and is ultimately responsible.

Is he culpable? In part, he was the head of the IRS but it does not mean he is knowledgeable of all that happens inside the organization.

Is he the reason for the targeting of the tea party applications? Doubtful to very unlikely IMHO because there is zero evidence to even suggest this. The WH visitor logs prove nothing towards this. With the Affordable Health Care tax laws in the making it is highly likely that the head of the department (and maybe even a tax expert) would visit the WH related offices/office buildings for meetings with people working on this and other tax laws.

Let's let the investigation play out.:cool:
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Unfortunately not all the problems start at the top, sometimes they start at other parts within an organization. Sometimes the head of an organization isn't privy to the mistakes or illegal actions people below him make.

Is he culpable? In part, he was the head of the IRS but it does not mean he is knowledgeable of all that happens inside the organization.

Is he the reason for the targeting of the tea party applications? Doubtful to very unlikely IMHO because there is zero evidence to even suggest this. The WH visitor logs prove nothing towards this. With the Affordable Health Care tax laws in the making it is highly likely that the head of the department (and maybe even a tax expert) would visit the WH related offices/office buildings for meetings with people working on this and other tax laws.

Now is Shulman responsible? Yes, he was the head of the IRS at the time and is ultimately responsible. However you are missing the point I made....

I said clearly more than once now that, it is reported that the head of the NTEU, (the treasury employees union) and a rabid anti TP activist, met with Obama in the WH, the day before this targeting began in earnest.

Coincidence? I think not.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Unfortunately not all
the problems start at the top, sometimes they start at other parts within an organization. Sometimes the head of an organization isn't privy to the mistakes or illegal actions people below him make.

Now is Shulman responsible? Yes, he was the head of the IRS at the time and is ultimately responsible.

Is he culpable? In part, he was the head of the IRS but it does not mean he is knowledgeable of all that happens inside the organization.

Is he the reason for the targeting of the tea party applications? Doubtful to very unlikely IMHO because there is zero evidence to even suggest this. The WH visitor logs prove nothing towards this. With the Affordable Health Care tax laws in the making it is highly likely that the head of the department (and maybe even a tax expert) would visit the WH related offices/office buildings for meetings with people working on this and other tax laws.

BWAHAHAHAHA !

I guarantee, no I promise Obama was well informed on this and many other issued he's currently playing dumb on.

I bet a " dime to a dollar " that when Issa's Commitee calls for the specifics of those meetings schulman had at the WH, Obama will claim Executive Priveledge and you guys will support him.

Face it, you people put criminals in the WH. All the mitigation in the world isn't going to change that.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

You still dont have any evidence at all Obama was involved, just some fantastic story how things could have happened, like Benghazi, or Fast and Furious, or on and on. The right wing needs a bit more then fantasy to quit looking so bad spewing your Obama hate.
BWAHAHAHAHA !

I guarantee, no I promise Obama was well informed on this and many other issued he's currently playing dumb on.

I bet a " dime to a dollar " that when Issa's Commitee calls for the specifics of those meetings schulman had at the WH, Obama will claim Executive Priveledge and you guys will support him.

Face it, you people put criminals in the WH. All the mitigation in the world isn't going to change that.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

BWAHAHAHAHA !

I guarantee, no I promise Obama was well informed on this and many other issued he's currently playing dumb on.

I bet a " dime to a dollar " that when Issa's Commitee calls for the specifics of those meetings schulman had at the WH, Obama will claim Executive Priveledge and you guys will support him.

Face it, you people put criminals in the WH. All the mitigation in the world isn't going to change that.

I want them to call Colleen M. Kelley before them to question her on the direct meeting between her and Obama the day before they started specifically targeting these conservative groups....

Once again for those in the thread that seem to be missing this part of the story....

The very day after the president of the quite publicly anti-Tea Party labor union — the union for IRS employees — met with President Obama, the manager of the IRS ‘Determinations Unit Program agreed’ to open a ‘Sensitive Case report on the Tea party cases.’ As stated by the IG report.

Read more: IRS union denies 'smoking gun' meeting with Obama | The Daily Caller

And, although she is trying to deny that she met with Obama personally, she has a big problem....and that is how her name appears on the WHVL....

This is a woman who said this....

“For me, it’s about collaboration.” — National Treasury Employees Union President Colleen Kelley on the relationship between the anti-Tea Party IRS union and the Obama White House.


This needs to be questioned extensively.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

You still dont have any evidence at all Obama
was involved, just some fantastic story
how things could have happened, like Benghazi, or Fast and Furious, or on and on. The right wing needs a bit more then fantasy to quit looking so bad spewing your Obama hate.


Oh Bull Sh**...and you know it. If you could just step out of your partisan bubble and for one second be objective you would realize how ridiculous the left is being on these issues.

After 8 years of blaming EVERYTHING on Bush and wanting him impeached and or imprisoned now you guys are trying to push this theory of Presidential disconnect.

That it's a reasonable and legitimate claim to argue Obama and his inner circle are completely disconnected from multiple scandals.

For the FIRST TIME in History, a WH can claim innocence by ignorance and we're supposed to accept that because he' s a liberal.....Bull sh**.

Nixons IRS Commisoner refused when he was a brought an enemies list so don't give me your BS line that Obama's innocent.

Obama wen't out in 2010 and said the Tea Party was a threat against Democracy and called them " Tea Baggers".

Members of the Congressional Black Caucus called them '' the enemy".

You guys don't realize how ridiculous you sound with your desperate mitigations.
 
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