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Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times [W:243]

Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Good and I agree with you there is nothing exculpatory there. But there is nothing damning either. He went there to talk about health care.

There are two loose ends. Contrary to the link's assumption, there's no reason at all why health care wonks could not also have political roles. Multiple roles are not uncommon in the WH. More important, though, is that the WH visitor logs only show the sponsor/host of a visit. After that stop, a visitor can go elsewhere, especially in the outbuildings.:mrgreen:
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Well then, wouldnt all these visits be a good reason for Shulman to give better tesitmony to congress than "easter egg roll"?

Find out who he visited, what the visits were about etc. Completely acceptable oversight function in any event---the executive should not have carte blanche with the IRS. Especially in conjunction with political White House functions.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

There are two loose ends. Contrary to the link's assumption, there's no reason at all why health care wonks could not also have political roles. Multiple roles are not uncommon in the WH. More important, though, is that the WH visitor logs only show the sponsor/host of a visit. After that stop, a visitor can go elsewhere, especially in the outbuildings.:mrgreen:

Well then, wouldnt all these visits be a good reason for Shulman to give better tesitmony to congress than "easter egg roll"?

Find out who he visited, what the visits were about etc. Completely acceptable oversight function in any event---the executive should not have carte blanche with the IRS. Especially in conjunction with political White House functions.

Yes, I completely agree.:cool:
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Think of this as a gift, since your leg tingle seems to continue to block most rational thought.

Obama's curiously close labor friendship - Los Angeles Times

Stern estimates he visits the White House once a week...

The reason for those visits is right in the link you gave...thanks.

Now in the White House, Obama has continued to derive political benefits from the union. It was the SEIU's health chief, Dennis Rivera, who helped bring industry to the table to start talks on a healthcare overhaul.

With nearly 2 million members, the SEIU says it has people in 13 states whose senators are considered important targets in the lobbying effort behind the emerging Democratic healthcare bill. The union wants to coax those senators into voting for the bill.

The AHC act was a top priority at that time.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

If it is so benign, all these visits, then why the arrogant response of being there for an "Easter egg roll"? The contempt shown in that response alone toward the committee charged with oversight is astonishing. I'd haul his ass back, and compel him to detail each visit, and the first dumb assed answer like "Easter egg roll" that he gave, I'd charge him with contempt, and attempting to mislead congress. Both are crimes.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Why does Jay Carney still have his job? More to the point, where did he lose his self-respect?
Only Obama knows why Carney is still around, like Holder. I believe that Carney lost his self-respect at one of those 157 Easter egg rolling events. I imagine Carney has all of his mirrors covered with black sheets.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

If it is so benign, all these visits, then why the arrogant response of being there for an "Easter egg roll"? The contempt shown in that response alone toward the committee charged with oversight is astonishing. I'd haul his ass back, and compel him to detail each visit, and the first dumb assed answer like "Easter egg roll" that he gave, I'd charge him with contempt, and attempting to mislead congress. Both are crimes.

It appears as though you've been misled by Fox News.. From Shulman's testimony at the oversight committee:

CONNOLLY: There might be many reasons you would be at the White House. What would be some of the reasons you might be at the White House?

SHULMAN: The Easter egg roll with my kids.

CONNOLLY: Well...

SHULMAN: Questions about the administrability of tax policy.

CONNOLLY: All right.

SHULMAN: They were thinking of our budget -- us helping the Department of Education streamline application processes for financial aid...

CONNOLLY: I just want to be clear. You're very aware of the fact that you're under oath today?

SHULMAN: Yeah, very aware of that.

CONNOLLY: And your testimony, to be very clear, in response to Mr. Jordan's question, is that you've -- you've never had any conversation with respect to this subject, the subject of this hearing, with anybody at the White House, though you were at the White House 118 times? Now, that -

SHULMAN: Yeah, I mean, just so I'm -- just so I'm clear, I have no memory. Wouldn't have been appropriate. Would not have been appropriate to have a conversation with the White -- with anyone at the White House about the subject of discriminating against conservative groups in any part of our operation.

Fox's Latest IRS Attack Debunked By Fox's Source | Blog | Media Matters for America
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

It appears as though you've been misled by Fox News.. From Shulman's testimony at the oversight committee:

CONNOLLY: There might be many reasons you would be at the White House. What would be some of the reasons you might be at the White House?

SHULMAN: The Easter egg roll with my kids.

CONNOLLY: Well...

SHULMAN: Questions about the administrability of tax policy.

CONNOLLY: All right.

SHULMAN: They were thinking of our budget -- us helping the Department of Education streamline application processes for financial aid...

CONNOLLY: I just want to be clear. You're very aware of the fact that you're under oath today?

SHULMAN: Yeah, very aware of that.

CONNOLLY: And your testimony, to be very clear, in response to Mr. Jordan's question, is that you've -- you've never had any conversation with respect to this subject, the subject of this hearing, with anybody at the White House, though you were at the White House 118 times? Now, that -

SHULMAN: Yeah, I mean, just so I'm -- just so I'm clear, I have no memory. Wouldn't have been appropriate. Would not have been appropriate to have a conversation with the White -- with anyone at the White House about the subject of discriminating against conservative groups in any part of our operation.

Fox's Latest IRS Attack Debunked By Fox's Source | Blog | Media Matters for America
You and MediaMatters are still pushing the false impression that the IRS hasn't already admitted wrong-doing. That's pretty sad.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

You and MediaMatters are still pushing the false impression that the IRS hasn't already admitted wrong-doing. That's pretty sad.

Where in my post have either Media Matters or I pushed that impression? The IRS has clearly has admitted wrong doing and I recognize that.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Where in my post have either Media Matters or I pushed that impression? The IRS has clearly has admitted wrong doing and I recognize that.
Maybe you do, but the MediaMatters article you reference doesn't. "Following reports that the IRS inappropriately targeted conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status, Fox has attempted to link the Obama administration to the scandal, baselessly accusing the administration of continuing to use improper screening to scrutinize nonprofit groups and ignoring Obama's condemnation of the IRS' actions to justify calls for a special prosecutor to investigate the case." The IRS is inextricably linked to the administration, as are all cabinet functions, including Treasury. 157 visits to the WH would seem to document that fact. Fox has an agenda, but it doesn't include that which is patently obvious to everyone with a brain. Notice that the second word in the first sentence of that paragraph from MM is "reports". The institution has already admitted guilt, so it's hardly a report. Most of us just want the people that authorized that action to be removed, and that person or people reside within the administration somewhere, whether as IRS professionals or in some other capacity. There is no skirting it.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

The reason for those visits is right in the link you gave...thanks.



The AHC act was a top priority at that time.

But of course it was a top priority.

No question the actions taken to funnel precious money and resources to the thugs at the SEIU was a top priority. That takes planning and lots of meetings.

For example, when the massive fraud of Andy's In-Home Support Services scam in California was exposed, all attempts to roll back the $5.6 billion program and install oversight were met with threats by the Obama Administration to withhold Federal Stimulus funds. After all, there was close to $80 million/yr in taxpayer funded union dues at stake.

Can you say "doing his masters bidding"?

SEIU may be linked to ultimatum on withholding stimulus funds - Los Angeles Times

There have been lots of Top Priorities in the Obama Administration, but it's understandable why you would try to ignore what they really are.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Maybe you do, but the MediaMatters article you reference doesn't. "Following reports that the IRS inappropriately targeted conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status, Fox has attempted to link the Obama administration to the scandal, baselessly accusing the administration of continuing to use improper screening to scrutinize nonprofit groups and ignoring Obama's condemnation of the IRS' actions to justify calls for a special prosecutor to investigate the case." The IRS is inextricably linked to the administration, as are all cabinet functions, including Treasury. 157 visits to the WH would seem to document that fact. Fox has an agenda, but it doesn't include that which is patently obvious to everyone with a brain. Notice that the second word in the first sentence of that paragraph from MM is "reports". The institution has already admitted guilt, so it's hardly a report. Most of us just want the people that authorized that action to be removed, and that person or people reside within the administration somewhere, whether as IRS professionals or in some other capacity. There is no skirting it.

Yes, they do. They provide a link in the following: "Following reports that the IRS inappropriately..."
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Yes, they do. They provide a link in the following: "Following reports that the IRS inappropriately..."
That's practically a foot note. The article is intentionally misleading, as are the queries directed at naming an illegality.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Only Obama knows why Carney is still around, like Holder. I believe that Carney lost his self-respect at one of those 157 Easter egg rolling events. I imagine Carney has all of his mirrors covered with black sheets.

that's because white sheets make black people nervous, especially if they come with little hats ...

but I agree, I think Obama would be better off without either one of them ...
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Person of interest in the investigation of whether there was political direction to the IRS to target conservative groups. This starts with the list of those whom Shulman was visiting in the WH.:cool:

Are the initials "VJ" a good guess?
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

157 ???? Holy Audits. That's overkill.
I thought with 6 you get eggroll.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Are the initials "VJ" a good guess?

If not.....then the name Kevin Johnson and being the Mayor of Sacramento Does. Which Obama knows he can't get around firing that IG who found his buddy guilty of using a 501 4 C at the End of 2009. Nor can he get round the fact that he knew this at the same time True the Vote took place in the beginning of 2010. Same exact time the MS Media and Grassely all brought out the fact Obama fired that IG for no reason other than what he stated.

Which Obama stated he lost confidence in that Man. So I doubt Obama can run around and feign like he didn't know anything. Course the Obamabots can't get past that drop in Obama's Trustworthiness with Independents anymore. Which Conservatives have nothing to do with that at all.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Definitely looks like another fake controversy stirred up by various folks who really, really hate the President

The Fake Story About the IRS Commissioner and the White House

White House records show Douglas Shulman signed in for 11 visits, not 157, between 2009 and 2012.

Complicating the picture is the fact that just because a meeting was scheduled and Shulman was cleared to attend it does not mean that he actually went. Routine events like the biweekly health-care deputies meeting would have had a standing list of people cleared to attend, people whose White House appointments would have been logged and forwarded to the check-in gate. But there is no time of arrival information in the records to confirm that Shulman actually signed in and went to these standing meetings.

Indeed, of the 157 events Shulman was cleared to attend, White House records only provide time of arrival information -- confirming that he actually went to them -- for 11 events over the 2009-2012 period
<snip>
Andrew Sullivan wrote: "I'd be grateful for reader scrutiny of this data -- simply because I do not trust the source, and there may be context I'm missing. But if the Caller is right that in the Bush years, 'Shulman's predecessor Mark Everson only visited the White House once during four years of service in the George W. Bush administration,' we need an explanation -- and fast."

So here is some more context (in addition to what Sullivan's readers later provided him): There is no Bush Administration public-records data about who went to the White House. As incomplete as it is, the Obama White House data is more public information than we have about any other administration, or the visits of any other IRS commissioner.

There is also the question about what people mean when they say the White House.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Definitely looks like another fake controversy stirred up by various folks who really, really hate the President

Good to see the Atlantic is their typical demo water carrying selves....However, they do show a couple of cracks in their reporting, such as here:

"But there is no record that Shulman attended a White House Easter Egg Roll under Obama, most likely because large events organized by the East Wing, like that one, don't always show up in the visitor's access records."

So, that little snot decided to get flip with congress oversight instead of answering with the gravity it deserved...Demo donation Shulman, is like all the other misleading congress, and they damned well better be careful...

As long as the administration continues to hide, mislead, change stories, get caught hiding info, etc. the suspicion will continue.

Just remember, they are the most transparent administration in history....pfft!
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Good to see the Atlantic is their typical demo water carrying selves....However, they do show a couple of cracks in their reporting, such as here:

"But there is no record that Shulman attended a White House Easter Egg Roll under Obama, most likely because large events organized by the East Wing, like that one, don't always show up in the visitor's access records."

So, that little snot decided to get flip with congress oversight instead of answering with the gravity it deserved...Demo donation Shulman, is like all the other misleading congress, and they damned well better be careful...

As long as the administration continues to hide, mislead, change stories, get caught hiding info, etc. the suspicion will continue.

Just remember, they are the most transparent administration in history....pfft!
Shulman's under oath testimony at the oversight hearing:

CONNOLLY: There might be many reasons you would be at the White House. What would be some of the reasons you might be at the White House?

SHULMAN: The Easter egg roll with my kids.

CONNOLLY: Well...

SHULMAN: Questions about the administrability of tax policy.

CONNOLLY: All right.

SHULMAN: They were thinking of our budget -- us helping the Department of Education streamline application processes for financial aid...

CONNOLLY: I just want to be clear. You're very aware of the fact that you're under oath today?

SHULMAN: Yeah, very aware of that.

CONNOLLY: And your testimony, to be very clear, in response to Mr. Jordan's question, is that you've -- you've never had any conversation with respect to this subject, the subject of this hearing, with anybody at the White House, though you were at the White House 118 times? Now, that -

SHULMAN: Yeah, I mean, just so I'm -- just so I'm clear, I have no memory. Wouldn't have been appropriate. Would not have been appropriate to have a conversation with the White -- with anyone at the White House about the subject of discriminating against conservative groups in any part of our operation.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

There are two loose ends. Contrary to the link's assumption, there's no reason at all why health care wonks could not also have political roles. Multiple roles are not uncommon in the WH. More important, though, is that the WH visitor logs only show the sponsor/host of a visit. After that stop, a visitor can go elsewhere, especially in the outbuildings.:mrgreen:
Thank you Jack for the like, however, I found the following testimony from the oversight hearing::cool:

CONNOLLY: There might be many reasons you would be at the White House. What would be some of the reasons you might be at the White House?

SHULMAN: The Easter egg roll with my kids.

CONNOLLY: Well...

SHULMAN: Questions about the administrability of tax policy.

CONNOLLY: All right.

SHULMAN: They were thinking of our budget -- us helping the Department of Education streamline application processes for financial aid...

CONNOLLY: I just want to be clear. You're very aware of the fact that you're under oath today?

SHULMAN: Yeah, very aware of that.

CONNOLLY: And your testimony, to be very clear, in response to Mr. Jordan's question, is that you've -- you've never had any conversation with respect to this subject, the subject of this hearing, with anybody at the White House, though you were at the White House 118 times? Now, that -

SHULMAN: Yeah, I mean, just so I'm -- just so I'm clear, I have no memory. Wouldn't have been appropriate. Would not have been appropriate to have a conversation with the White -- with anyone at the White House about the subject of discriminating against conservative groups in any part of our operation.
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Thank you Jack for the like, however, I found the following testimony from the oversight hearing::cool:

CONNOLLY: There might be many reasons you would be at the White House. What would be some of the reasons you might be at the White House?

SHULMAN: The Easter egg roll with my kids.

CONNOLLY: Well...

SHULMAN: Questions about the administrability of tax policy.

CONNOLLY: All right.

SHULMAN: They were thinking of our budget -- us helping the Department of Education streamline application processes for financial aid...

CONNOLLY: I just want to be clear. You're very aware of the fact that you're under oath today?

SHULMAN: Yeah, very aware of that.

CONNOLLY: And your testimony, to be very clear, in response to Mr. Jordan's question, is that you've -- you've never had any conversation with respect to this subject, the subject of this hearing, with anybody at the White House, though you were at the White House 118 times? Now, that -

SHULMAN: Yeah, I mean, just so I'm -- just so I'm clear, I have no memory. Wouldn't have been appropriate. Would not have been appropriate to have a conversation with the White -- with anyone at the White House about the subject of discriminating against conservative groups in any part of our operation.

So now the lines are drawn. If he's innocent, which is certainly a possibility, then he's stupidly done a masterful job of making himself look guilty.:mrgreen:
 
Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

Shulman's under oath testimony at the oversight hearing:

CONNOLLY: There might be many reasons you would be at the White House. What would be some of the reasons you might be at the White House?

SHULMAN: The Easter egg roll with my kids.

CONNOLLY: Well...

SHULMAN: Questions about the administrability of tax policy.

CONNOLLY: All right.

SHULMAN: They were thinking of our budget -- us helping the Department of Education streamline application processes for financial aid...

CONNOLLY: I just want to be clear. You're very aware of the fact that you're under oath today?

SHULMAN: Yeah, very aware of that.

CONNOLLY: And your testimony, to be very clear, in response to Mr. Jordan's question, is that you've -- you've never had any conversation with respect to this subject, the subject of this hearing, with anybody at the White House, though you were at the White House 118 times? Now, that -

SHULMAN: Yeah, I mean, just so I'm -- just so I'm clear, I have no memory. Wouldn't have been appropriate. Would not have been appropriate to have a conversation with the White -- with anyone at the White House about the subject of discriminating against conservative groups in any part of our operation.

Of course you certainly have been able to discern something about Shulman's carefully crafted response:

"Would not have been appropriate to have a conversation with the White -- with anyone at the White House about the subject of discriminating against conservative groups in any part of our operation."

The operative words being "about the subject of discriminating against conservative groups". Meaning, they didn't discuss discriminating, but did perhaps discuss ways to hold up those groups using extensive IRS investigations.

Surely, as a published author of high acclaim, you can appreciate the subtle difference.

Or not...:lamo
 
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