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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, when you bring up all these insinuations that the IRS did nothing wrong, you refuse to consider those statements, and facts that show that they did anything wrong....






    So, you do think that the IRS did nothing wrong in ideologically targeting political opponents. This is why we have been saying that progressives like you are dangerous to the country.






    This is a fine example of why the tax code as it exists now needs to be tossed for a flat tax.






    How? You're kidding right? Did you watch any of the testimony yesterday be these various groups? Intimidation, harassment, potential donors scared off for fear of their personal, and business information being made public to political opponents, etc...IOW, true disenfranchisement....


    But, you've already stated it pretty clearly Pete, you don't see anything wrong with that as long as it is happening to people you hate. How sad.

    I didn't say the IRS didn't do anything wrong, I think they clearly did. I think they were guilty of being incompetent . The brash of Tea Party applications added to their incompetence. What seems to lost in all of this is the fact is that 501 (c)(4) nonprofit status is meant for organizations that are primarily involved with "social welfare." Show me a tea party organization that's involved with social welfare, I'm not saying they don't exist, but I highly doubt they do. Social welfare organizations are more likely to be liberal organizations. Also, tax exempt organizations are not allowed to campaign for a candidate for office. So your claim of disenfranchisement BS.

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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I didn't say the IRS didn't do anything wrong,
    I think they clearly did. I think they were guilty of being incompetent . The brash of Tea Party applications added to their incompetence. What seems to lost in all of this is the fact is that 501 (c)(4) nonprofit status is meant for organizations that are primarily involved with "social welfare." Show me a tea party organization that's involved with social welfare, I'm not saying they don't exist, but I highly doubt they do. Social welfare organizations are more likely to be liberal organizations. Also, tax exempt organizations are not allowed to campaign for a candidate for office. So your claim of disenfranchisement BS.
    Do you chose to believe your own BS because to actually make an assesment based on facts would counter your corrupt personal ideology ?

    And you would rather base your belief system based on lies than admit youv'e spent your adult life following a rotten agenda ?

    You know that there was actually a drop in the number of Tea Party request to the IRS after the 2010 elections right ?? In 2009 the number of Tea Party orginizations that filed for that status was close to 75 thousand.

    In 2010 it was around 50 thousand. THIS STARTED in 2010.

    Whats the point of coming here and continuously lying to yourself and other posters ?

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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I agree..

    Also I think the typical progressive IMO is ignorant, brainwashed or stubborn. I wouldn't hold those opinions if they were baseless.

    The communists were quite clear on how they managed to obtain an authoritarian socioeconomic socialist model and which tactics they used to obtain their Animal Farm.

    Presently we're in the desensitization process - government is good, the government gives some of us free stuff - anyone who opposes is bad.

    I suppose getting free stuff from one party is enough to hate the opposition and enough to trust the hand that feeds you?

    In short our present government is like the really nice stranger in the park that gives kids candy and gives them rides to school in his nice big brown 1979 G-van with tinted windows and progressives are the "kids" that take the candy and go for a ride to Wally World.
    Which is why PB's only response was a feeble attempt to mock and humiliate. He can't refute facts so he has to seem dismissive to try and marginalize the opposition. The truth though is that PB and the other Obama worshipers who plague these boards have sold out. They are willing to defend any deception, any abuse of power to further their political agenda. In essence they have become the sheep who mindlessly bleet "4 legs good, 2 legs bad".

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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Do you chose to believe your own BS because to actually make an assesment based on facts would counter your corrupt personal ideology ?

    And you would rather base your belief system based on lies than admit youv'e spent your adult life following a rotten agenda ?

    You know that there was actually a drop in the number of Tea Party request to the IRS after the 2010 elections right ?? In 2009 the number of Tea Party orginizations that filed for that status was close to 75 thousand.

    In 2010 it was around 50 thousand. THIS STARTED in 2010.

    Whats the point of coming here and continuously lying to yourself and other posters ?
    Are you calling me a liar, Fenton?

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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Are you calling me a liar, Fenton?
    You know, ten years on these political forums, ( I'm new here but not new to Political forums ) has shown me that some people will cling for their absolute lifes to a agenda or political ideology. It's almost a direct proportional correlation to the number of years they've followed that ideology to the degree of denial they have when that ideology has been outed as either totally corrupt, or filled with corrupt elements.

    My parents are Universtity Liberals, my Grandparents, the ones that are still alive and the one's that have since passed away were Southern Democrats.

    My Grandfather doesn't recognize the Democrat party he supported for nearly 60 years, and my parents are stuck in isolation, a vacuum of hypotheticals never meant to be applied but bandied around their Liberal world of like minded ideologues like it's a panacea to all our Worlds ills.

    So I'm not sure what your problem is. You know the IRSs claim of a way to deal with the "mass influx of Tea Party Claims " after the 2010 elections was a lie. Tea Party and Conservative 501 and 507 Claims DROPPED, not increased.

    One of many LIES from the Democrats in the widening IRS scandal.

    Had this happened exactly like its going down now under Bush he would have stepped down by now, the MEDIA would be running 24/7 coverage and would be demanding his entire administration step down until a Democrat was appointed, and people like you would be in these forums demanding jail time for every Republican in sight.

    So I have no idea what motivates you. It just amazes me that you wouldn't want, like the rest of us to see just how far this went, and want the people who are defining your party as criminals and liars to pay for destroying the Democrat name.

    That is if you actually cared about the truth.

    You probably don't want to know what I want done, what I think is justified as peoples lives were turned up side down so I'll keep it to myself.
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
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    So I'm not sure what your problem is. You know the IRSs claim of a way to deal with the "mass influx of Tea Party Claims " after the 2010 elections was a lie. Tea Party and Conservative 501 and 507 Claims DROPPED, not increased.

    One of many LIES from the Democrats in the widening IRS scandal.

    Had this happened exactly like its going down now under Bush he would have stepped down by now, the MEDIA would be running 24/7 coverage and would be demanding his entire administration step down until a Democrat was appointed, and people like you would be in these forums demanding jail time for every Republican in sight.

    So I have no idea what motivates you. It just amazes me that you wouldn't want, like the rest of us to see just how far this went, and want the people who are defining your party as criminals and liars to pay for destroying the Democrat name.

    That is if you actually cared about the truth.

    You probably don't want to know what I want done, what I think is justified as peoples lives were turned up side down so I'll keep it to myself.
    Where do you get the numbers on Tea Party tax exemption requests? Fewer IRS workers can be over burdened even when the total number of applications drops. Did you not see the statement that three-quarters of the IRS requests for additional info went to groups with no known political affiliations?

    So I have no idea what motivates you. Bush people did worse things with the IRS, actions which have been posted several times - why are you denying history.

    I don't believe you care about the truth unless it fits your ideology. You have posted far too many claims that others have shown to be untrue.


    "You probably don't want to know what I want done," You are right, I don't - but considering your rather violent rhetoric in other posts, I can imagine what you dream about
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    So I have no idea what motivates you. It just amazes me that you wouldn't want, like the rest of us to see just how far this went, and want the people who are defining your party as criminals and liars to pay for destroying the Democrat name.
    He's motivated by a religious fanaticism in Big Government collectivist Marxism. He sold his soul to it and is now reduced to defending outright deception, tyranny and abuse of power to further that agenda.

    In all honesty it's pointless even engaging people like PB and Somerville. What does it say about their character when they are knowingly obfuscating and rationalizing what the IRS is doing to Obama's political opposition under liberal control. It's a disgrace. Anyone defending this Gestapo nonsense is American in name only.

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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    If Tea Party members are so anti-government why are they asking for tax exemptions? Shouldn't they stand up for their principles of individual responsibility?

    They are political groups with political agendas and are not reticent in stating that their purpose is to bring down the present Administration and his "Big Government collectivist Marxism" - so what is their justification for demanding tax exemptions as a "social welfare" charity?
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    If Tea Party members are so anti-government why are they asking for tax exemptions? Shouldn't they stand up for their principles of individual responsibility?

    They are political groups with political agendas and are not reticent in stating that their purpose is to bring down the present Administration and his "Big Government collectivist Marxism" - so what is their justification for demanding tax exemptions as a "social welfare" charity?
    When will you vote to relieve them of the associated tax burden so they can?

    ANSWER: Never.
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Where do you get the numbers on Tea
    Party tax exemption requests? Fewer IRS workers can be over burdened even when the total number of applications drops. Did you not see the statement that three-quarters of the IRS requests for additional info went to groups with no known political affiliations?

    So I have no idea what motivates you. Bush people did worse things with the IRS, actions which have been posted several times - why are you denying history.

    I don't believe you care about the truth unless it fits your ideology. You have posted far too many claims that others have shown to be untrue.


    "You probably don't want to know what I want done," You are right, I don't - but considering your rather violent rhetoric in other posts, I can imagine what you dream about
    LOL !!

    You people and your Bush infactuations.

    Do you all have little Bush dolls made out of shower drain hair, tooth picks, and sun-dried fruit ?

    Lie. Bush's administration did those things in your twisted dreams of "reality ".

    First, the Obama administration spent Billions to set up donors to run Green energy companies that were doomed to fail. There has been NO accountabillity for the money lost.

    Second, the Obama administration along with a AG who commited perjury sent thousands of fully automatic weapons into the hands of the drug Cartels. Hundreds og Mexican citizens and one American border guard lost their life. The US AG lied under OATH, there has been no accountabillity.

    Third, the Obama administration and the State Dept put people on a suicide mission by mandating a Embassy be built right in the middle of a Hotbed of terrorist activity. They ignored request for extra security, ignored a TWELVE FOOT HOLE that was blown in the wall of that embassy, and then concted a LIE that it was a the fault of a VIDEO because it was politically expedient. The lieing Bitch Hillary lied straight to the face of the Father who lost is son there telling him " we will get the man eho made that video". NO ONE has been held accountable, not even the terrorist that killed our ambassador

    Fourth, the Obama administration used the lieing AG to snoop into the E-mails of a Journalist under false pretenses and then went judge shopping to get a warrant. Holder perjured himself and BTW, has until midnight tonight to make a statement to Congress.

    Fifth, the Obama administration after the 2010 ass kicking used its IRS agency to target American citizens for their political view points. The Senate asked for specific documents and gave the IRS until May 31 to produce them. THE IRS IGNORED THEIR REQUEST. Top IRS officials under questioning took the fifth . It all started a day after. Obama met with the head of the IRSs Union.

    Sixth, after 4.5 years of economic misery and chronic joblessnes the best your President can do is to tell his FED appointee is to load up on US debt and keep interest rates low. Its just another lie from a criminally stupid President. An entire economy proped up with FED printing and Wall Street just waiting for him to pull the plug on QE so they can sell all of the overpriced assets and bonds off ASAP.

    So spare me yoir pathetic Bush blame and mitigation. NOTHING remotely comparable to these scandals happened under Bush in reality.

    So go ahead, keep defending whats going to go down in History as the most corrupt , most incompetent Administration we've ever had the misfortune of living under. It just shows your level of naivete.

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