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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    This is more than un-American, it's just flat out Crimnal.

    I love watching the Libz desperately trying to save their ass on this and other forums.

    Hey guys, you elected low lifes, what did you expect ? Hell, anyone could take one look at Axelrod and see a kniving seedy greasy low life instantly.
    Axlerod is just another run of the mill communist....

    David M. Axelrod was born February 22, 1955, to Myril Bennett Axelrod (who worked for PM, a leftist New York newspaper whose ranks were penetrated by communists seeking to advance the Stalinist line) and Joseph Axelrod (a psychologist who committed suicide in 1974). David would later describe his parents as “your classic New York leftist Democrats.” He grew up in Manhattan and, from an early age, engaged passionately in politics. At age ten, he canvassed for New York mayoral candidate John Lindsay (a Democrat); when he was thirteen, he sold campaign buttons and bumper stickers promoting Robert Kennedy for President.

    Axelrod graduated from New York's Stuyvesant High School in June 1972 and enrolled, that fall, at the University of Chicago, where he majored in political science and wrote for the student newspaper. In late 1973 or early 1974, he secured a job as a political columnist for the Hyde Park Herald, a local weekly newspaper. His work at the Herald caught the attention of two particularly noteworthy individuals, David Canter and Don Rose:

    David Canter (1923-2004) was the son of Harry Jacob Canter, a lifelong communist who: served as secretary of the Boston Communist Party; ran for governor of Massachusetts on the Communist Party ticket in 1930; earned a special invitation to Joseph Stalin's USSR in 1932; worked in Moscow as an official translator of Lenin's writings; and later taught at the Abraham Lincoln School, an infamous Chicago-based front that indoctrinated students in the teachings of Marx and Lenin. Like his father, David Canter was also a lifelong communist. He was educated in Stalin's Soviet Union from 1932-37, before returning with his family to the United States. He later became an attorney and developed ties to the National Lawyers Guild. In the Guide to Subversive Organizations and Publications, an exhaustive Congressional analysis compiled between 1955 and 1968, Canter's name appeared 25 times. On July 12, 1962, Canter was subpoenaed to testify before the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC), where he was questioned about the agendas of Translation World Publishers, the pro-Soviet, Soviet-subsidized publishing house he had co-created with LeRoy Wolins, a well-known communist. Canter refused to answer any HUAC questions about his past or present membership in the Communist Party USA (CPUSA).
    Canter's associate, Don Rose (who is still alive), was never proven to be a CPUSA member. He was, however, a member of the National Mobilization Committee to End the War in Vietnam, an organization replete with communists and Sixties radicals. He also belonged to the Alliance to End Repression (a suspected Communist Party front), and he did some press work for the Students for a Democratic Society. In the 1960s, Rose and Canter collaborated to establish a far-left, pro-communist community newspaper called Hyde Park-Kenwood Voices, which echoed CPUSA propaganda.

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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And there it is, first sentence, and you prove my exact point...Thanks for playin'
    If you mean by playing state the facts as we know it? Then yes, I played and won. In 2010 Shulman did not have an appointment with Obama at the WH.

    The odds on favorite for the timing of the IRS on focusing on Tea party groups asking for tax exempt status was the Citizens United Decision. That was a landmark decision to which the IRS overreacted and yes, they made the wrong choices at that moment but guess what, the IRS are civil servants and they should be neutral but in a country in which every public office seems to be a battle ground for politics rather than quality or competence, you get problems with political wrangling in what should not be political decision.

    For example, A judge should be appointed on merit and competence, not on which political party he/she belongs to. But in a country in which the political process is so partisan and the constitution is never altered you need courts to rule on whether the new law, which was chosen by the people (or at least their chosen politicians) is not conflicting with the points of view of a group of people 230 years ago.

    Now these people 230 years ago where a group of visionaries and extremely smart and competent people, but they have long gone and still what they wrote all that time ago has been deemed sacred almost and if it is not in accordance or in the spirit of what they wrote it gets struck down. And sadly that is mostly down to politics in this day and age because the judges are part of the political process. They are appointed or chosen based on more than just their competence.

    In the Netherlands it is the politicians choice made by a competent majority of both chambers of our parliament that decides if a law is to be entered into the law books, not the judges.

    If there is a change to the constitution, the most important document in our nation we do not turn to judges to agree or disagree with the changes, we ask the people of our country.

    If a change to our constitution is proposed, both the first and second chamber of our parliament have to agree with a qualified majority (half plus 1). Then the second chamber is dissolved (normally when the parliament is dissolved anyway for election purposes once every 4 years). Then it is down to the voters, they elect a new parliament to decide again on the proposed constitutional changes but now it is not a qualified majority which must agree but a 2/3 majority in both chambers of parliament.

    This way we can change our constitution by way of letting the people decide, not the courts. And by having 2 parliaments decide this and having the provision of 2/3 majority means that the will of the people is adhered to and that the constitution cannot be changed on a whim.

    In the Netherlands the courts cannot strike a law from the constitution. The Dutch have never had such a provision because we do not want activist judges to make laws or strike laws, making laws in the Netherlands is seen as the sole responsibility of parliament.

    The first Dutch constitution was from 1814 (after having freed ourselves from French occupation), major changes came in 1840 when the country split in 2 nations (Belgium and the Netherlands), 1848 in which the basis of our current parliamentary system was introduced and then there were only minor changes in the 145 years after that until in 1983 the entire constitution was re-drafted taking out ridiculous laws (like the law that forbade catholics from holy processions) and putting in laws that reflected the growth of the Dutch people from 1848. The death penalty was abolished, a national ombudsman was created, changes in the electoral system, protection against discrimination etc.

    Our way of doing things protects us from activist judges, if should be the people who decide what the law means, not judges to interpret laws that can be explained in several ways. The law should not be so vague that it can be explained several ways and that judges decide how a law is supposed to be read.

    You may not agree with my points of view, but it would be nice if the people could change some constitutional laws that do not work, or at least that is how I would feel.
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    If you mean by playing state the facts as we know it? Then yes, I played and won. In 2010 Shulman did not have an appointment with Obama at the WH.
    Good Lord man.....What was Shulman's title?
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Good Lord man.....What was Shulman's title?
    Unfortunately not all the problems start at the top, sometimes they start at other parts within an organization. Sometimes the head of an organization isn't privy to the mistakes or illegal actions people below him make.

    Now is Shulman responsible? Yes, he was the head of the IRS at the time and is ultimately responsible.

    Is he culpable? In part, he was the head of the IRS but it does not mean he is knowledgeable of all that happens inside the organization.

    Is he the reason for the targeting of the tea party applications? Doubtful to very unlikely IMHO because there is zero evidence to even suggest this. The WH visitor logs prove nothing towards this. With the Affordable Health Care tax laws in the making it is highly likely that the head of the department (and maybe even a tax expert) would visit the WH related offices/office buildings for meetings with people working on this and other tax laws.
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Unfortunately not all the problems start at the top, sometimes they start at other parts within an organization. Sometimes the head of an organization isn't privy to the mistakes or illegal actions people below him make.

    Now is Shulman responsible? Yes, he was the head of the IRS at the time and is ultimately responsible.

    Is he culpable? In part, he was the head of the IRS but it does not mean he is knowledgeable of all that happens inside the organization.

    Is he the reason for the targeting of the tea party applications? Doubtful to very unlikely IMHO because there is zero evidence to even suggest this. The WH visitor logs prove nothing towards this. With the Affordable Health Care tax laws in the making it is highly likely that the head of the department (and maybe even a tax expert) would visit the WH related offices/office buildings for meetings with people working on this and other tax laws.
    Let's let the investigation play out.
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Unfortunately not all the problems start at the top, sometimes they start at other parts within an organization. Sometimes the head of an organization isn't privy to the mistakes or illegal actions people below him make.

    Is he culpable? In part, he was the head of the IRS but it does not mean he is knowledgeable of all that happens inside the organization.

    Is he the reason for the targeting of the tea party applications? Doubtful to very unlikely IMHO because there is zero evidence to even suggest this. The WH visitor logs prove nothing towards this. With the Affordable Health Care tax laws in the making it is highly likely that the head of the department (and maybe even a tax expert) would visit the WH related offices/office buildings for meetings with people working on this and other tax laws.
    Now is Shulman responsible? Yes, he was the head of the IRS at the time and is ultimately responsible. However you are missing the point I made....

    I said clearly more than once now that, it is reported that the head of the NTEU, (the treasury employees union) and a rabid anti TP activist, met with Obama in the WH, the day before this targeting began in earnest.

    Coincidence? I think not.
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Unfortunately not all
    the problems start at the top, sometimes they start at other parts within an organization. Sometimes the head of an organization isn't privy to the mistakes or illegal actions people below him make.

    Now is Shulman responsible? Yes, he was the head of the IRS at the time and is ultimately responsible.

    Is he culpable? In part, he was the head of the IRS but it does not mean he is knowledgeable of all that happens inside the organization.

    Is he the reason for the targeting of the tea party applications? Doubtful to very unlikely IMHO because there is zero evidence to even suggest this. The WH visitor logs prove nothing towards this. With the Affordable Health Care tax laws in the making it is highly likely that the head of the department (and maybe even a tax expert) would visit the WH related offices/office buildings for meetings with people working on this and other tax laws.
    BWAHAHAHAHA !

    I guarantee, no I promise Obama was well informed on this and many other issued he's currently playing dumb on.

    I bet a " dime to a dollar " that when Issa's Commitee calls for the specifics of those meetings schulman had at the WH, Obama will claim Executive Priveledge and you guys will support him.

    Face it, you people put criminals in the WH. All the mitigation in the world isn't going to change that.

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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    You still dont have any evidence at all Obama was involved, just some fantastic story how things could have happened, like Benghazi, or Fast and Furious, or on and on. The right wing needs a bit more then fantasy to quit looking so bad spewing your Obama hate.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    BWAHAHAHAHA !

    I guarantee, no I promise Obama was well informed on this and many other issued he's currently playing dumb on.

    I bet a " dime to a dollar " that when Issa's Commitee calls for the specifics of those meetings schulman had at the WH, Obama will claim Executive Priveledge and you guys will support him.

    Face it, you people put criminals in the WH. All the mitigation in the world isn't going to change that.
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    BWAHAHAHAHA !

    I guarantee, no I promise Obama was well informed on this and many other issued he's currently playing dumb on.

    I bet a " dime to a dollar " that when Issa's Commitee calls for the specifics of those meetings schulman had at the WH, Obama will claim Executive Priveledge and you guys will support him.

    Face it, you people put criminals in the WH. All the mitigation in the world isn't going to change that.
    I want them to call Colleen M. Kelley before them to question her on the direct meeting between her and Obama the day before they started specifically targeting these conservative groups....

    Once again for those in the thread that seem to be missing this part of the story....

    The very day after the president of the quite publicly anti-Tea Party labor union — the union for IRS employees — met with President Obama, the manager of the IRS ‘Determinations Unit Program agreed’ to open a ‘Sensitive Case report on the Tea party cases.’ As stated by the IG report.

    Read more: IRS union denies 'smoking gun' meeting with Obama | The Daily Caller
    And, although she is trying to deny that she met with Obama personally, she has a big problem....and that is how her name appears on the WHVL....

    This is a woman who said this....

    “For me, it’s about collaboration.” — National Treasury Employees Union President Colleen Kelley on the relationship between the anti-Tea Party IRS union and the Obama White House.

    Kelley, Colleen / Potus / 03/31/2010 / 12:30

    The American Spectator : Obama and the IRS: The Smoking Gun?
    This needs to be questioned extensively.
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    You still dont have any evidence at all Obama
    was involved, just some fantastic story
    how things could have happened, like Benghazi, or Fast and Furious, or on and on. The right wing needs a bit more then fantasy to quit looking so bad spewing your Obama hate.

    Oh Bull Sh**...and you know it. If you could just step out of your partisan bubble and for one second be objective you would realize how ridiculous the left is being on these issues.

    After 8 years of blaming EVERYTHING on Bush and wanting him impeached and or imprisoned now you guys are trying to push this theory of Presidential disconnect.

    That it's a reasonable and legitimate claim to argue Obama and his inner circle are completely disconnected from multiple scandals.

    For the FIRST TIME in History, a WH can claim innocence by ignorance and we're supposed to accept that because he' s a liberal.....Bull sh**.

    Nixons IRS Commisoner refused when he was a brought an enemies list so don't give me your BS line that Obama's innocent.

    Obama wen't out in 2010 and said the Tea Party was a threat against Democracy and called them " Tea Baggers".

    Members of the Congressional Black Caucus called them '' the enemy".

    You guys don't realize how ridiculous you sound with your desperate mitigations.

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