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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    So are you guys trying to say he met with the POTUS all those times to talk about harassing those who drink tea in small happy little groups?
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, and none of these would we know the actual goings on of the meetings without minutes, and transcripts...I'm just sayin', shady goings on are never in the open for everyone to see. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't be digging to make sure it was on the up and up.....
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    You really refuse to accept reality but then - not unexpected as "reality does have a liberal bias"

    July 2008 Citing ‘Lawsuits And Things,’ White House Refuses To Release Logs Of When Payne Took Clients To Meet Bush

    So when Barack Obama comes into office, his Administration continues what had become standard practice

    July 2009

    But there is something a little different with the Obama people, they seem to listen to complaints a bit more than those other guys

    Sept 2009


    So in the minds of righties, the President releasing the visitor logs after months of complaints is less than what " Bush, or any other Republican would have done" even though the Bush Administration refused to release ANY visitor logs in the eight years they were in office.


    Oh, j-mac Alexis de Tocqueville never wrote the words you use in your sig - just thought you would like to know.

    This misquote apparently comes from the following passage in Democracy in America, Vol 1, Chap III, Pt 1
    Isn't it funny how think progress was all over Bush for "allowing access" and in full defense mode on this scandal which is apples to oranges....

    And of those whom defend this President by continuing to say that there is nothing to see here, and yes, even some who think that it was perfectly fine to use the IRS to go after political enemies as long as it is their guy doing it, the schoolyard excuse of "well, Jimmy did it first" is lame dude....You can do better I hope.
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    So are you guys trying to say he met with the POTUS all those times to talk about harassing those who drink tea in small happy little groups?
    No, that is not what I am saying at all. Clearly you have only been reading what you want to see.

    My theory so far is that the leader of the NTEU met with Obama, and the day after that this practice started in earnest....

    Please keep up.
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Isn't it funny how think progress was all over Bush for "allowing access" and in full defense mode on this scandal which is apples to oranges....

    And of those whom defend this President by continuing to say that there is nothing to see here, and yes, even some who think that it was perfectly fine to use the IRS to go after political enemies as long as it is their guy doing it, the schoolyard excuse of "well, Jimmy did it first" is lame dude....You can do better I hope.

    All I got is -- You can do better I hope -- 'cause you didn't even attempt to respond to the points I made.

    ThinkProgress was in "full defense mode" over the latest "scandal' - really?

    So far, there has been "nothing to see"

    I've already posted that using "Bush did it first" is not an excuse in post #176


    The point that the right in their on-going efforts to find something, anything to destroy the Obama Presidency fails, or refuses, to acknowledge is the reality that most of these groups that were being investigated were quite open in their statements about ignoring the regulations as they apply to 501 C 4 groups. One of the biggest benefactors of the Citizens United ruling, Karl Rove even bragged about his exploitation of the tax exemptions -
    Question, Senator -- why single out Crossroads when you did not mention one single liberal group, and there were a bunch that were applying for that exempt-status exactly that point, with the name "progress" in their names?

    DURBIN: I can just tell you flat out why I did it, because that Crossroads organization was boasting about the money they were raising as a 501(c)(4).

    Let's get back to the basics. Citizens United really unleashed hundreds, if not thousands, of organizations seeking tax-exempt statuses to play in political campaigns. The law we wrote as Congress said that they had to exclusively be engaged in social welfare and not politics and campaigning.

    And so, here is the IRS trying to decide whether or not these organizations really comply with the law. Crossroads was exhibit A. They were boastful about how much the money they were going to raise and beat Democrats.
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, that is not what I am saying at all. Clearly you have only been reading what you want to see.

    My theory so far is that the leader of the NTEU met with Obama, and the day after that this practice started in earnest....

    Please keep up.
    Obama didn't even meet Shulman in the year that the IRS started targeting Tea Party groups. That happened in the early part of 2010 and Obama never had an appointment with Obama in that year.

    Shulman was in the WH 10 times after Citizens United was decided and the IRS started their scrutiny but on all but 2 of those occasions Obama was busy at the time of the meetings or even out of the WH.

    And that is my whole issue with the Healty Skeptical approach of government and conspiracy thinking because this kind of a statement belongs with an approach in which one expects the worst possible behavior of one's own government at all times even when there is zero evidence of that actually happening.

    This kind of thinking is often (don't know if that is the case with you J-Mac but I have seen it in a lot of other people) related to whether the president in the WH is one of your own party/political point of view or not.

    I have seen liberals foaming at the mouth much more often in the Bush years than in the Clinton or Obama years and vice versa with conservatives who have been foaming at the mouth with almost everything that happens in this administration, so I have a sneaking suspicion that for a lot of these conspiracy theorists it is mostly down to a member of the opposing party being in the white house.
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    All I got is -- You can do better I hope -- 'cause you didn't even attempt to respond to the points I made.
    Make some relevant points and I'll respond.

    ThinkProgress was in "full defense mode" over the latest "scandal' - really?
    That's what I see.

    So far, there has been "nothing to see"
    Maybe if one is blind...

    I've already posted that using "Bush did it first" is not an excuse in post #176
    Yet you continue to do it.

    The point that the right in their on-going efforts to find something, anything to destroy the Obama Presidency fails, or refuses, to acknowledge is the reality that most of these groups that were being investigated were quite open in their statements about ignoring the regulations as they apply to 501 C 4 groups. One of the biggest benefactors of the Citizens United ruling, Karl Rove even bragged about his exploitation of the tax exemptions -
    Durbin is one of the biggest hacks of all. As I pointed out already in another thread, from the IRS's own rules on these things, c-4's can absolutely engage in political advocacy...The so called "social welfare" aspect is a farce....

    It is intentionally vague...So much so that in the IRS's own explanation of what it means it says this:

    "There is no official Congressional or Service pronouncement construing the
    terms "civic league" or "social welfare" as embodied in section 501(c)(4)."

    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopicg81.pdf

    So, give it up man, it's weak. The IRS was wrong, so much so that they tried to get out ahead of what was to be revealed in the IG report by apologizing for the wrongdoing and hoping that people would just ignore it....Too bad, as many authoritarian progressive banana republic dictators often do, this one ****ed up, and now will be exposed for the unamerican hack he is.
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac
    My theory so far is that the leader of the NTEU met with Obama, and the day after that this practice started in earnest....

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Obama didn't even meet Shulman in the year that the IRS started targeting Tea Party groups.
    And there it is, first sentence, and you prove my exact point...Thanks for playin'
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    You really refuse to accept reality but then
    - not unexpected as "reality does have

    a liberal bias"

    July 2008 Citing ‘Lawsuits And Things,’ White House Refuses To Release Logs Of When Payne Took Clients To Meet Bush

    So when Barack Obama comes into office, his Administration continues what had become standard practice

    July 2009

    But there is something a little different with the Obama people, they seem to listen to complaints a bit more than those other guys

    Sept 2009


    So in the minds of righties, the President releasing the visitor logs after months of complaints is less than what " Bush, or any other Republican would have done" even though the Bush Administration refused to release ANY visitor logs in the eight years they were in office.


    Oh, j-mac Alexis de Tocqueville never wrote the words you use in your sig - just thought you would like to know.

    This misquote apparently comes from the following passage in Democracy in America, Vol 1, Chap III, Pt 1
    Obama's admin has been accused of being the worst in modern History when it comes to Freedom of Information Request by Washington attorneys.

    They lead all previous administrations on the prosecution of Whistle Blowers and even has exceeded all precedent by criminally charging a reporter just to get access to his E-mail.

    It took 3 tries of course before they could find a judge corrupt enough to sign a warrant.

    That recent AG meeting that came with conditions was laughable.

    Just like your regretable assertion that his administration is " transparent."

    Does that transparency include perjury ?

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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Make some relevant points and I'll respond.




    That's what I see.



    Maybe if one is blind...



    Yet you continue to do it.



    Durbin is one of the biggest hacks of all. As I pointed out already in another thread, from the IRS's own rules on these things, c-4's can absolutely engage in political advocacy...The so called "social welfare" aspect is a farce....

    It is intentionally vague...So much so that in the IRS's own explanation of what it means it says this:

    "There is no official Congressional or Service pronouncement construing the
    terms "civic league" or "social welfare" as embodied in section 501(c)(4)."

    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopicg81.pdf

    So, give it up man, it's weak. The IRS was wrong, so much so that they tried to get out ahead of what was to be revealed in the IG report by apologizing for the wrongdoing and hoping that people would just ignore it....Too bad, as many authoritarian progressive banana republic dictators often do, this one ****ed up, and now will be exposed for the unamerican hack he is.
    This is more than un-American, it's just flat out Crimnal.

    I love watching the Libz desperately trying to save their ass on this and other forums.

    Hey guys, you elected low lifes, what did you expect ? Hell, anyone could take one look at Axelrod and see a kniving seedy greasy low life instantly.

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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville
    Oh, j-mac Alexis de Tocqueville never wrote the words you use in your sig - just thought you would like to know.

    This misquote apparently comes from the following passage in Democracy in America, Vol 1, Chap III, Pt 1
    Oh, by all means I guess that means that you win the argument....What the hell does this have to do with the topic?
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