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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    No, you need to read the caveat associated with those logs, the part I bolded was in the DC report.


    White House Visitor Log - The Washington Post

    The Obama administration each month releases a log of people who pass through the White House security system, which also includes visits to the vice president's residence and two executive office buildings. The database has more than 2.5 million entries for the period from January 2009 through May. 31, 2012. The log may include some scheduled visits that did not take place and exclude visits by members of Congress, top officials and others who are not required to sign in at security gates.
    Well, fine then. There should be no problem scrutinizing it to make sure nothing is out of order right?
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Then it should be easy for the WH to just release detailed visits, along with whom he met with, and let those actually investigating get to the bottom of it....The more they obfuscate, and try to demonize anyone looking into it, at this point just make them look guilty....

    Remember that during the Nixon administration, it was the appearance of impropriety, and cover ups that brought that administration down.

    As you will note, I said I don't actually think that Shulman was complicit in setting up this crime, but he did know about it after the fact, and did nothing about it. I detailed that I think it was actually meetings with the NTEU chief, and Obama that was the start of this. But we will have to wait and see.



    The 'nothing to see here, move along' meme is tiresome. You should really get ready to shift that to 'they were ordered to do it' meme.
    Who he met?

    6 times he met with POTUS, 5 times alone and once with the FPOTUS

    3 times Shulman met Melody Barnes

    40 times he had an appointment with Nany Deparle

    once he had an appointment with Germain Deseve

    once he had an appointment with Emanual Ezekiel

    once he had an appointment with Keith Font

    once he had an appointment with Austan Golshee

    once he had an appointment with Alex Hornbrook

    once he had an appointment with Dana Hyde

    once he had an appointment with Chelsea Kammerer

    once he had an appointment with Alan Krueger

    once he had an appointment with Jeanne Lambrew

    once he had an appointment with Chris Lu

    once he had an appointment with Chad Maisel

    3 times he had an appointment with Jeptha Nafziger

    once he had an appointment with Peter Orszag

    once he had an appointment with Cass Sunstein

    once he had an appointment with Danny Werfel

    54 times Shulman had an appointment with Sarah Fenn

    11 times Shulman had an appointment with Jason Furmann

    twice he had an appointment with Mike Hash

    twice he had an appointment with Robert Nabors

    twice he had an appointment with Margeret Weiss

    4 times he had an appointment with Jeff Zients

    twice the appointment was with Visitors Office

    5 times he had an appointment with Cecelia Munoz

    7 times he had an appointment with Ariel Levin
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Who he met?

    6 times he met with POTUS, 5 times alone and once with the FPOTUS
    Ok, details of the meetings?
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, details of the meetings?
    two visits happened after Shulman left the IRS, once was for a West Wing Tour, once for an Econ PDB.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    two visits happened after Shulman left the IRS, once was for a West Wing Tour, once for an Econ PDB.
    Ok, and none of these would we know the actual goings on of the meetings without minutes, and transcripts...I'm just sayin', shady goings on are never in the open for everyone to see. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't be digging to make sure it was on the up and up.....
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, and none of these would we know the actual goings on of the meetings without minutes, and transcripts...I'm just sayin', shady goings on are never in the open for everyone to see. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't be digging to make sure it was on the up and up.....
    You mean like these "shady goings on"?
    September 6, 2001 by Reuters
    White House Refuses GAO Request for Documents on Cheney's Energy Task Force

    Meetings that oil executives continued to lie about four years later

    November 16, 2005
    A White House document shows that executives from big oil companies met with Vice President Cheney's energy task force in 2001 -- something long suspected by environmentalists but denied as recently as last week by industry officials testifying before Congress.

    Yeah, yeah - I know - "Bush did it first!" is no excuse, however it does show the hypocrisy of far too many on the right when they attack the President today but ignored similar or worse behaviour by their guy.

    Also, please remember that the Bush Administration refused to release visitor logs completely.
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    You mean like these "shady goings on"?
    September 6, 2001 by Reuters
    White House Refuses GAO Request for Documents on Cheney's Energy Task Force

    Meetings that oil executives continued to lie about four years later




    Yeah, yeah - I know - "Bush did it first!" is no excuse, however it does show the hypocrisy of far too many on the right when they attack the President today but ignored similar or worse behaviour by their guy.

    Also, please remember that the Bush Administration refused to release visitor logs completely.
    At what point do we say wrong is wrong regardless of who's political opponent did it first?
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    At what point do we say wrong is wrong regardless of who's political opponent did it first?
    Please read my words ""Bush did it first!" is no excuse,"

    If the Obama Administration had not changed the Bush policies on releasing information, in this instance, White House visitor logs, you and others who are attacking the President would have nothing. So as poor as Obama's people may have been in some matters, they are still behaving with more openness than the Bush Administration.

    But for some reason, being "better than . . .", is still not good enuff for the absolutists.

    In the case of the OP for this thread, we have already seen the claim totally destroyed and the O-haters have moved on to other claims. Seems to happen a lot to them.
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Please read my words ""Bush did it first!" is no excuse,"

    If the Obama Administration had not changed the Bush policies on releasing information, in this instance, White House visitor logs, you and others who are attacking the President would have nothing. So as poor as Obama's people may have been in some matters, they are still behaving with more openness than the Bush Administration.

    But for some reason, being "better than . . .", is still not good enuff for the absolutists.

    In the case of the OP for this thread, we have already seen the claim totally destroyed and the O-haters have moved on to other claims. Seems to happen a lot to them.
    Oh please....It is laughable to think that Bush, or any other Republican would have done this to the extent this administration is doing it now....In any case, Obama made specific promises about this sort of thing, and has utterly failed, yet supporters still cling to the claim that Obama is being more open, and transparent....Amazing...What drive this sort of blind loyalty?
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh please....It is laughable to think that Bush, or any other Republican would have done this to the extent this administration is doing it now....In any case, Obama made specific promises about this sort of thing, and has utterly failed, yet supporters still cling to the claim that Obama is being more open, and transparent....Amazing...What drive this sort of blind loyalty?
    You really refuse to accept reality but then - not unexpected as "reality does have a liberal bias"

    July 2008 Citing ‘Lawsuits And Things,’ White House Refuses To Release Logs Of When Payne Took Clients To Meet Bush

    So when Barack Obama comes into office, his Administration continues what had become standard practice

    July 2009
    Obama blocks list of visitors to White House

    The Obama administration is fighting to block access to names of visitors to the White House, taking up the Bush administration argument that a president doesn't have to reveal who comes calling to influence policy decisions.

    Despite President Barack Obama's pledge to introduce a new era of transparency to Washington, and despite two rulings by a federal judge that the records are public, the Secret Service has denied msnbc.com's request for the names of all White House visitors from Jan. 20 to the present.
    But there is something a little different with the Obama people, they seem to listen to complaints a bit more than those other guys

    Sept 2009
    Visitor Access Records

    As part of President Obama's commitment to government transparency, we are providing records of White House visitors on an ongoing basis online. In December 2009, we will begin posting all White House visitor records for the period from September 15th onwards under the terms of our new voluntary disclosure policy. In addition, as part of our new policy, we will post records dating from January 20th that are specifically requested on an ongoing basis. For more information, read the White House blog post announcing the new policy.

    So in the minds of righties, the President releasing the visitor logs after months of complaints is less than what " Bush, or any other Republican would have done" even though the Bush Administration refused to release ANY visitor logs in the eight years they were in office.


    Oh, j-mac Alexis de Tocqueville never wrote the words you use in your sig - just thought you would like to know.

    This misquote apparently comes from the following passage in Democracy in America, Vol 1, Chap III, Pt 1
    There is, in fact, a manly and lawful passion for equality which excites
    men to wish all to be powerful and honored. This passion tends to
    elevate the humble to the rank of the great; but there exists also in
    the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak
    to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level, and reduces men to
    prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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