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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Reading your other posts on this subject, I am assuming you think he was being evasive when he mentioned the Easter Egg Roll. What I have learned is the "White House" is actually a complex of three buildings: Eisenhower Executive Office, New Executive Office Building and the actual White House. The list the DC used covers all three. So when he was asked about when he was at the White House, he was talking about the actual White House, so its very possible his answer wasn't being evasive at all.
    Ok, so even if I take the latest defense supplied by the progressive defenders of Obama at face value, Shulman was there 157 times....Good grief man, that is a butt load of times....Let's take a look at this answer a little closer shall we?

    1. Consider this Pete, "Kathleen Sebelius has by far the most responsibility for ObamaCare implementation, and as HHS Secretary is also an Obama Cabinet official who’s supposed to report directly to the White House, unlike an IRS Commissioner, who should be reporting to the Secretary of the Treasury (or more likely a Deputy Secretary). However, Kathleen Sebelius visited the White House less than 50 times in the same period as Shulamn’s 157 visits, and Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner had the same number as Sebelius."

    Former IRS Commissioner: I visited WH once in four years; Update: Did Shulman actually attend those meetings? Update: Daily Caller responds « Hot Air

    So, explain that if you can. Now one thing that can clear this up, and that is if the WH releases the notes of these supposed ACA meetings, and others that were in attendance at them to confirm that is what it was about. Which brings me to my 2nd point....

    2. The arrogance, and contempt behind the answer "Easter egg roll"..... An answer like that would have been just fine if Shulman were at a cocktail party, making a joke, but he wasn't, he was in front of Congress whom is investigating a serious matter. To be that flip about why he would have visited the WH so often shows the full contempt this administration displays for anyone that questions them. Shulman is not the first or only arrogant, contemptuous administration member to appear before congress. Many have displayed these characteristics.

    But think about that answer for just a second.....As Jonah Goldberg so aptly put it, Shulman's answer was analogous to someone asking you why you were at Hooters over a hundred times last year, and you answer, 'They have Chicken wings'..... While that may be true, and you may like their wings, the answer is intentional Bull ****, and you'd have to have your tongue firmly planted in your cheek to answer like that.

    So, If you Pete are trying to hang your hat on the progressive line of Shulman being appointed by Bush, so we shouldn't speak up, sorry, but that is an awful weak tac toward the usual "infallible arguer" gambit you progressives so often love to use....Shulman, was a democrat that donated to the DNC.

    And the kabooke [sic] theater that so often happens in these sorts of things is not helping the administration in its claim that nothing nefarious went on in this scandal...Now, for what its worth, I don't at this point think that Shulman was the instigator in this affair, with or without the President being involved, but this part that hasn't been fully asked about yet is interesting....

    "March 31, 2010.

    According to the White House Visitors Log, provided here in searchable form by U.S. News and World Report, the president of the anti-Tea Party National Treasury Employees Union, Colleen Kelley, visited the White House at 12:30pm that Wednesday noon time of March 31st.

    The White House lists the IRS union leader’s visit this way:

    Kelley, Colleen Potus 03/31/2010 12:30

    In White House language, “POTUS” stands for “President of the United States.”

    The very next day after her White House meeting with the President, according to the Treasury Department’s Inspector General’s Report, IRS employees — the same employees who belong to the NTEU — set to work in earnest targeting the Tea Party and conservative groups around America. The IG report wrote it up this way:

    April 1-2, 2010: The new Acting Manager, Technical Unit, suggested the need for a Sensitive Case Report on the Tea Party cases. The Determinations Unit Program Manager Agreed.

    In short: the very day after the president of the quite publicly anti-Tea Party labor union — the union for IRS employees — met with President Obama, the manager of the IRS “Determinations Unit Program agreed” to open a “Sensitive Case report on the Tea party cases.” As stated by the IG report.

    The NTEU is the 150,000 member union that represents IRS employees along with 30 other separate government agencies. Kelley herself is a 14-year IRS veteran agent. The union’s PAC endorsed President Obama in both 2008 and 2012, and gave hundreds of thousands of dollars in the 2010 and 2012 election cycles to anti-Tea Party candidates.

    Putting IRS employees in the position of actively financing anti-Tea Party candidates themselves, while in their official positions in the IRS blocking, auditing, or intimidating Tea Party and conservative groups around the country."

    The American Spectator : Obama and the IRS: The Smoking Gun?

    This, coupled with Lois Lerner's past track record of exactly this M.O. in targeting conservatives through out her career in government with the FEC, now the IRS, could be a direct link back to Obama himself. It needs to be fully investigated.
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Shulman did not visit the WH 157 times, that is just
    total nonsense. People at Foxnews/Foxnation can work themselves into a frenzy for nothing.

    No investigation needed, waste of time and money.
    Lol...."nothing to see here " .....too bad it's not your call.

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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Shulman did not visit the WH 157 times, that is just total nonsense.
    How anyone can type this, without knowing that it is a total, and complete lie is beyond me...The number comes directly from WH visitor logs....Now carrying water aside, can we at least agree that facts are facts?

    No investigation needed, waste of time and money.
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Facts dont really matter. Do they? Seems to me the Right just makes up stuff, says it over and over...and soon it is a fact, at least in the RW blogoshpere.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    How anyone can type this, without knowing that it is a total, and complete lie is beyond me...The number comes directly from WH visitor logs....Now carrying water aside, can we at least agree that facts are facts?



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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Facts dont really matter. Do they?
    Sure doesn't seem so to the sycophants that have thrills running up their legs for Barry....

    Seems to me the Right just makes up stuff, says it over and over...and soon it is a fact, at least in the RW blogoshpere.
    Is that so? And tell me smart guy, did the RW blogosphere make up the WH visitor logs?

    Just a little advice, you should stick to liking others inflammatory postings, and concealing your lean....
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    What makes you think I have anything to conceal? I prettty much tell you what I think. Thanks for the advice.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Sure doesn't seem so to the sycophants that have thrills running up their legs for Barry....



    Is that so? And tell me smart guy, did the RW blogosphere make up the WH visitor logs?

    Just a little advice, you should stick to liking others inflammatory postings, and concealing your lean....
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    Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    I love the reeling and back spinning going on by the left right now. This guy visits the White House more than Eric Holder during a massive scandal...and there is no way Obama is involved and this is just a witch hunt. Gotta love the victim card from the left.

    Here is a news flash. The IRS scandal was HORRIBLE! They got their hands caught in the red paint and now rather than search for the "transparency" they were promised by the Obaminator...it is protect the big wig as much as possible. Never mind that unwarranted wiretapping happened at the DoJ...and that this IRS scandal...nope full speed ahead on the "Peace Prize" President. Lol
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    How anyone can type this, without knowing that it is a total, and complete lie is beyond me...The number comes directly from WH visitor logs....Now carrying water aside, can we at least agree that facts are facts?
    Facts? LOL! Of the 157 visits about 118 visits weren't even to the white house itself. They were to the Eisenhower executive building and the new executive office building. That is a fact.

    Only 6 times he was scheduled to meet Obama (5 times with just Obama and once with the president and the first lady).

    That leaves 33 visits to the white house but on those dates he was not scheduled to meet the president.

    Of those 33 dates we can strike 8 dates because Obama was not in the White House at the time Shulman was in the WH.

    Of the 25 dates left, we can strike 2 dates because Shulman was there for witnessing the signing of a tax bill (with a lot of other guests)

    Leaves 23 dates, of those dates we can strike a further 8 because at the time Shulman was there Obama was in known meetings 7 times and 1 time it was at the moment when Obama was hosting a reception for the Jewish American Heritage Month.

    Leaves 15 dates in which both Shulman and Obama where in the WH at the same time. But as Shulman had meetings with other people that too seems unlikely.

    So resuming, of the 157 visits 118 weren't at the WH but at office building related to the WH rather than the WH itself. 6 times he met Obama personally, 18 times when he visited the WH it was impossible for him to meet Obama because of the reasons stated above.

    A lot of noise from the right for no reason whatsoever.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We here in America don't have the same fealty to government as say, the Netherlands.
    The Dutch have a healthy skepticism about their government, we do not have insane conspiracy feelings that are based on nothing.
    I would love to
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Facts? LOL! Of the 157 visits about 118 visits weren't even to the white house itself. They were to the Eisenhower executive building and the new executive office building. That is a fact.

    Only 6 times he was scheduled to meet Obama (5 times with just Obama and once with the president and the first lady).

    That leaves 33 visits to the white house but on those dates he was not scheduled to meet the president.

    Of those 33 dates we can strike 8 dates because Obama was not in the White House at the time Shulman was in the WH.

    Of the 25 dates left, we can strike 2 dates because Shulman was there for witnessing the signing of a tax bill (with a lot of other guests)

    Leaves 23 dates, of those dates we can strike a further 8 because at the time Shulman was there Obama was in known meetings 7 times and 1 time it was at the moment when Obama was hosting a reception for the Jewish American Heritage Month.

    Leaves 15 dates in which both Shulman and Obama where in the WH at the same time. But as Shulman had meetings with other people that too seems unlikely.

    So resuming, of the 157 visits 118 weren't at the WH but at office building related to the WH rather than the WH itself. 6 times he met Obama personally, 18 times when he visited the WH it was impossible for him to meet Obama because of the reasons stated above.
    Then it should be easy for the WH to just release detailed visits, along with whom he met with, and let those actually investigating get to the bottom of it....The more they obfuscate, and try to demonize anyone looking into it, at this point just make them look guilty....

    Remember that during the Nixon administration, it was the appearance of impropriety, and cover ups that brought that administration down.

    As you will note, I said I don't actually think that Shulman was complicit in setting up this crime, but he did know about it after the fact, and did nothing about it. I detailed that I think it was actually meetings with the NTEU chief, and Obama that was the start of this. But we will have to wait and see.

    The Dutch have a healthy skepticism about their government, we do not have insane conspiracy feelings that are based on nothing.
    I would love to
    The 'nothing to see here, move along' meme is tiresome. You should really get ready to shift that to 'they were ordered to do it' meme.
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    How anyone can type this, without knowing that it is a total, and complete lie is beyond me...The number comes directly from WH visitor logs....Now carrying water aside, can we at least agree that facts are facts?



    We here in America don't have the same fealty to government as say, the Netherlands.
    No, you need to read the caveat associated with those logs, the part I bolded was in the DC report.


    White House Visitor Log - The Washington Post

    The Obama administration each month releases a log of people who pass through the White House security system, which also includes visits to the vice president's residence and two executive office buildings. The database has more than 2.5 million entries for the period from January 2009 through May. 31, 2012. The log may include some scheduled visits that did not take place and exclude visits by members of Congress, top officials and others who are not required to sign in at security gates.

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