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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Length of service under BHO is 300-400% more than under GWB.
    well, normally the IRS chief is appointed for 5 years. And that one visits officials in the white house during that period is understandable, especially with the Affordable Health Care law that was being written.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    well, normally the IRS chief is appointed for 5 years. And that one visits officials in the white house during that period is understandable, especially with the Affordable Health Care law that was being written.
    I am quite comfortable letting the investigation of this aspect of the matter run its course. Let's see where it leads.
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    well, normally the IRS chief is appointed for 5 years. And that one visits officials in the white house during that period is understandable, especially with the Affordable Health Care law that was being written.
    Yet that wasnt reflected in his testimony before oversight. Why?

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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    What isnt a talking point is Shulman's memory and response to questioning regarding his visits to the White House.

    Oversight means he owes Congress more than "Easter Egg Roll".

    If we dont expect a better answer than that, the adage about the government we deserve sadly holds true.
    Do you realize that the "White House" is a complex of three buildings, one of which is the actual White House?

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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Do you realize that the "White House" is a complex of three buildings, one of which is the actual White House?
    Which is completely irrelevant to his oversight testimony, which was near contempt, honestly.

    Hes an executive employee subject to congressional oversight whenever they ask for it. His lack of direct testimony about the visits is the problem. I dont care where he met, I care what he discussed and with whom. He did not discuss that at any length.

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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Which is completely irrelevant to his oversight testimony, which was near contempt, honestly.

    Hes an executive employee subject to congressional oversight whenever they ask for it. His lack of direct testimony about the visits is the problem. I dont care where he met, I care what he discussed and with whom. He did not discuss that at any length.
    Here is some of his testimony:

    CONNOLLY: There might be many reasons you would be at the White House. What would be some of the reasons you might be at the White House?

    SHULMAN: The Easter egg roll with my kids.

    CONNOLLY: Well...

    SHULMAN: Questions about the administrability of tax policy.

    CONNOLLY: All right.

    SHULMAN: They were thinking of our budget -- us helping the Department of Education streamline application processes for financial aid...

    CONNOLLY: I just want to be clear. You're very aware of the fact that you're under oath today?

    SHULMAN: Yeah, very aware of that.

    CONNOLLY: And your testimony, to be very clear, in response to Mr. Jordan's question, is that you've -- you've never had any conversation with respect to this subject, the subject of this hearing, with anybody at the White House, though you were at the White House 118 times? Now, that -

    SHULMAN: Yeah, I mean, just so I'm -- just so I'm clear, I have no memory. Wouldn't have been appropriate. Would not have been appropriate to have a conversation with the White -- with anyone at the White House about the subject of discriminating against conservative groups in any part of our operation.

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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Here is some of his testimony:

    CONNOLLY: There might be many reasons you would be at the White House. What would be some of the reasons you might be at the White House?

    SHULMAN: The Easter egg roll with my kids.

    CONNOLLY: Well...

    SHULMAN: Questions about the administrability of tax policy.

    CONNOLLY: All right.

    SHULMAN: They were thinking of our budget -- us helping the Department of Education streamline application processes for financial aid...

    CONNOLLY: I just want to be clear. You're very aware of the fact that you're under oath today?

    SHULMAN: Yeah, very aware of that.

    CONNOLLY: And your testimony, to be very clear, in response to Mr. Jordan's question, is that you've -- you've never had any conversation with respect to this subject, the subject of this hearing, with anybody at the White House, though you were at the White House 118 times? Now, that -

    SHULMAN: Yeah, I mean, just so I'm -- just so I'm clear, I have no memory. Wouldn't have been appropriate. Would not have been appropriate to have a conversation with the White -- with anyone at the White House about the subject of discriminating against conservative groups in any part of our operation.
    We shall see.
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Here is some of his testimony:

    CONNOLLY: There might be many reasons you would be at the White House. What would be some of the reasons you might be at the White House?

    SHULMAN: The Easter egg roll with my kids.

    CONNOLLY: Well...

    SHULMAN: Questions about the administrability of tax policy.

    CONNOLLY: All right.

    SHULMAN: They were thinking of our budget -- us helping the Department of Education streamline application processes for financial aid...

    CONNOLLY: I just want to be clear. You're very aware of the fact that you're under oath today?

    SHULMAN: Yeah, very aware of that.

    CONNOLLY: And your testimony, to be very clear, in response to Mr. Jordan's question, is that you've -- you've never had any conversation with respect to this subject, the subject of this hearing, with anybody at the White House, though you were at the White House 118 times? Now, that -

    SHULMAN: Yeah, I mean, just so I'm -- just so I'm clear, I have no memory. Wouldn't have been appropriate. Would not have been appropriate to have a conversation with the White -- with anyone at the White House about the subject of discriminating against conservative groups in any part of our operation.
    So we are supposed to believe he knew about this policy, that it wasnt contained in Cincinnati, people in DC both knew about it and made decisions regarding it, but he never discussed it with anyone in the White House?

    I dont think so, unless we want to tread the plausible deniability route in which case he was forwarding info to somoene within the White House to deliberately keep the President from knowing what he wasnt supposed to know in government doublespeak parlance---which seems highly probable.

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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    We shall see.
    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    So we are supposed to believe he knew about this policy, that it wasnt contained in Cincinnati, people in DC both knew about it and made decisions regarding it, but he never discussed it with anyone in the White House?

    I dont think so, unless we want to tread the plausible deniability route in which case he was forwarding info to somoene within the White House to deliberately keep the President from knowing what he wasnt supposed to know in government doublespeak parlance---which seems highly probable.
    I believe we need to know the truth, so in my opinion, he needs to be recalled to testify again.

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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Sounds like Tom Brokaw is an intelligent man,
    this scandal doesn't involve President Obama.

    Did IRS chief really visit White House 157 times? CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

    More than 50 of Douglas Shulman's scheduled visits are described as "health care meetings" or "health care reform meetings," according to the visitor logs. Arrival times are only listed for 11 of his visits, and it's not unusual for a person to appear on the visitor logs - which are derived from Secret Service clearance lists - without actually having visited the White House. The majority of the visits were set to be held in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, which houses office suites for administration aides.
    I was refering to the THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of people that were targeted for just backing Romney's election.

    The fact that your'e still trying to mitigate this scandal, the targeting of people by the IRS based on their political affiliation shows you really don't have a problem with what the IRS was doing in the first place.

    Your'e pissed because they got caught.

    If I KNOW people personally, who got immediate audits after sending a check to Romney's Campaign, then the list of donors who were harrassed is going to be a mile long.

    Yes, you guys owe the rest of us a apology. You installed real criminals in Americas highest office.

    So quit apologizing for their behaviour and start apologizing for your behaviour.

    Electing a empty suite incompetent thug because the media told you to

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