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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Of course you certainly have been able to discern something about Shulman's carefully crafted response:

    "Would not have been appropriate to have a conversation with the White -- with anyone at the White House about the subject of discriminating against conservative groups in any part of our operation."

    The operative words being "about the subject of discriminating against conservative groups". Meaning, they didn't discuss discriminating, but did perhaps discuss ways to hold up those groups using extensive IRS investigations.

    Surely, as a published author of high acclaim, you can appreciate the subtle difference.

    Or not...
    He was under oath during his testimony.


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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    He was under oath during his testimony.
    That means that if he was lying that would be really, really bad.
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    So now the lines are drawn. If he's innocent, which is certainly a possibility, then he's stupidly done a masterful job of making himself look guilty.
    How did he make himself look guilty? BTW, he went there only 11 times, not 157.

    The Fake Story About the IRS Commissioner and the White House


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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    He was under oath during his testimony.
    Of course he was.

    He didn't say he didn't discuss targeting groups, he said under oath, he didn't discuss discriminating against them.

    Certainly you can appreaciate the difference.

    "Would not have been appropriate to have a conversation with the White -- with anyone at the White House about the subject of discriminating against conservative groups in any part of our operation."

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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    How did he make himself look guilty? BTW, he went there only 11 times, not 157.

    The Fake Story About the IRS Commissioner and the White House
    He made himself look stupidly guilty because he, unlike you and his (new) lefty friends, has offered a more -- um -- vacuous explanation of his visits. And the holes still remain: the visits eliminated by the author in your link are not in fact to be eliminated at all. Perhaps Shulman knows this and that's why his story is so inferior to yours.
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    He made himself look stupidly guilty because he, unlike you and his (new) lefty friends, has offered a more -- um -- vacuous explanation of his visits. And the holes still remain: the visits eliminated by the author in your link are not in fact to be eliminated at all. Perhaps Shulman knows this and that's why his story is so inferior to yours.
    "Indeed, of the 157 events Shulman was cleared to attend, White House records only provide time of arrival information -- confirming that he actually went to them -- for 11 events over the 2009-2012 period, and time of departure information for only six appointments. According to the White House records, Shulman signed in twice in 2009, five times in 2010, twice in 2011, and twice in 2012. That does not mean that he did not go to other meetings, only that the White House records do not show he went to the 157 meetings he was granted Secret Service clearance to attend."


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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    "Indeed, of the 157 events Shulman was cleared to attend, White House records only provide time of arrival information -- confirming that he actually went to them -- for 11 events over the 2009-2012 period, and time of departure information for only six appointments. According to the White House records, Shulman signed in twice in 2009, five times in 2010, twice in 2011, and twice in 2012. That does not mean that he did not go to other meetings, only that the White House records do not show he went to the 157 meetings he was granted Secret Service clearance to attend."
    The system is surprisingly casual. I'm confident he went all 157 times, or something close to that.
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The system is surprisingly casual. I'm confident he went all 157 times, or something close to that.
    To see who?


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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    To see who?
    That, my dear Watson, is the question.
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    Re: Former IRS chief Shulman reportedly visited White House at least 157 times

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    That, my dear Watson, is the question.
    115 of them were scheduled in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building .

    Eisenhower Executive Office Building, recorded as Old Executive Office Building
    Michael Hash, senior adviser, Health and Human Services Office of Health Reform and "one of the most important players in the 2009-2010 health-care debate," according to the Washington Post.
    Margaret Weiss, George Washington University class of 2007 and a special assistant to Jeffrey D. Zients, then deputy director for Management at the Office of Management and Budget.
    Germain Edward Deseve, "the White House point man on stimulus implementation," according to USA Today.
    Cass Sunstein, administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs


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