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    Re: Cops: Letters to nyc mayor test positive for ricin

    Quote Originally Posted by ForcedAppeal View Post
    That is demonstrably FALSE.

    The city council SETS term limits. Now how could they violate those limits THEY set by voting to extend term limits for the mayor?

    If you don't understand that, I'll try to explain AGAIN.
    No, it isn't false at all. The term limits were set, Guilliani followed them and Bloomberg ran as a moderate Republican to follow up, when Bloomberg's second term ended he was not supposed to run again but magically he was on the ballot, he couldn't even follow simple rules and yet will put the hammer to anything that he disagrees with.

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    Re: Cops: Letters to nyc mayor test positive for ricin

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    No, it isn't false at all. The term limits were set, Guilliani followed them and Bloomberg ran as a moderate Republican to follow up, when Bloomberg's second term ended he was not supposed to run again but magically he was on the ballot, he couldn't even follow simple rules and yet will put the hammer to anything that he disagrees with.

    Q. and A. on Term Limits - NYTimes.com
    He was not 'magically on the ballot', nice try. Extension of term limits were put to a vote by the city council. The public had a chance to voice their opinions during the debate and the mayor's advocate had a chance. After the open,public debate the city council then put it to a vote. (You know, the way America works when you want to change a law) The extension of term limit vote passed. It was voted on by duly elected representatives of the 5 boroughs of NYC.

    Do you follow so far. Once the city council (made up of duly elected representatives) changed the term limits (which was their right to do after VOTING on it and allowing the public discourse) then the term limit LAW WAS CHANGED. Ergo, NO LAW WAS VIOLATED.

    You can continue to be obstinate, but any semblancce of critical thinking here will lead to to the conclusion that NO LAW WAS VIOLATED.

    And maybe if Guiliani had the SUPPPORT of city council, he could have made a convincing argument to extend term limits, but he had burned too many bridges at that point and wouldn't have gotten the votes.


    Speed limits are set - They change
    taxes are SET - they change
    retirement age is set - it changes
    So I don't even know what you mean when you say 'term limits were set' . Laws are NOT written in stone and if you can garner the support to change them, well good on you!
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    Re: Cops: Letters to nyc mayor test positive for ricin

    Quote Originally Posted by ForcedAppeal View Post
    He was not 'magically on the ballot', nice try. Extension of term limits were put to a vote by the city council. The public had a chance to voice their opinions during the debate and the mayor's advocate had a chance. After the open,public debate the city council then put it to a vote. (You know, the way America works when you want to change a law) The extension of term limit vote passed. It was voted on by duly elected representatives of the 5 boroughs of NYC.

    Do you follow so far. Once the city council (made up of duly elected representatives) changed the term limits (which was their right to do after VOTING on it and allowing the public discourse) then the term limit LAW WAS CHANGED. Ergo, NO LAW WAS VIOLATED.

    You can continue to be obstinate, but any semblancce of critical thinking here will lead to to the conclusion that NO LAW WAS VIOLATED.

    And maybe if Guiliani had the SUPPPORT of city council, he could have made a convincing argument to extend term limits, but he had burned too many bridges at that point and wouldn't have gotten the votes.
    Did you read the article, in the answer portion it was explained that a term limit change had to be done by public referendum vote, the council illegally voted not to hold referendum, then voted to extend the term limits while Bloomberg was approaching the end of his second term. The voters didn't even get to have their legal say, and the council made law where they had no legal authority.

    Yeah, nothing shady, illegal, or dishonest there, all good.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Cops: Letters to nyc mayor test positive for ricin

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Okay, to correct you. The U.S. is a constitutional federal republic, NOT a "representative democracy", the only thing democratic about the republic is the election process.
    A representative democracy and a republic arent mutually exclusive...

    Next, it's not about "against my beliefs" it's about tyrants breaking the law, Bloomberg has violated term limits with the aid of the NYC city council, he has violated Arizona law, federal law, jurisdictional law, and continues to assert that americans are too stupid and immoral to retain full rights. I don't care how you word it, I will be happy every time a tyrant is no longer victimizing the populace whether that is through retirement, loss of power through elections or conviction, or even death, that you don't get my point is irrelevant to me.
    No he is not a "tyrant" he hasnt violated laws. You have a very very narrow definition of "tyrant".


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    Re: Cops: Letters to nyc mayor test positive for ricin

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    A representative democracy and a republic arent mutually exclusive...
    For the purposes of legal authority they are worlds apart.


    No he is not a "tyrant" he hasnt violated laws. You have a very very narrow definition of "tyrant".
    He is the TEXTBOOK definition of a tyrant and he has committed multiple legal violations just in Arizona and federal alone.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Cops: Letters to nyc mayor test positive for ricin

    Wow, now folks are supporting terrorism.
    A man without fear is a fool, a man that succumbs to his fear is a coward and a brave man acknowledges fear yet presses on.
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    Re: Cops: Letters to nyc mayor test positive for ricin

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    "Support" is your word, not mine. I said I wouldn't cry over it. Liberals favor the criminal and hate the victim, so their being harmed is only poetic justice. Take George Tiller for example. I don't advocate people go around and shoot late-term abortion doctors, but when one get's shot, I say good riddance.
    Reminds me of the movie "Shoah", where Poles didn't outright voice their support for the Holocaust, but they sure did make it clear that they were glad the Jews were gone. You are voicing the same kind of bigotry and passive support for murder.

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    Re: Cops: Letters to nyc mayor test positive for ricin

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    For the purposes of legal authority they are worlds apart.
    No they are not. You can be a republic and a representative democracy, like we are. Again they are not mutually exclusive.



    He is the TEXTBOOK definition of a tyrant and he has committed multiple legal violations just in Arizona and federal alone.
    He is oppressive? He is cruel? That is a tyrant, a cruel and oppressive leader.


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    Re: Cops: Letters to nyc mayor test positive for ricin

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    1978 London, well, a ricin attack anyway. It was the famous "umbrella dart" to the leg. That's the last succussful ricin attack I can remember anyway.
    I thought that was a M-1 Bioinoculator using magnetic propulsion to shoot a dart tipped with blowfish or some similar toxin



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